The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[brightfame52]

Christ death is a saving death because those for whom He died, or suffered, it brings them to God. That means it effects conversion to God 1 Pet 3:18

18 For Christ also hath once suffered[or died] for sins, the just for the unjust, that he might bring us to God, being put to death in the flesh, but quickened by the Spirit:

Those He died for, likewise will be quickened by the Spirit. Thats what begins their conversion or being brought to God.

[brightfame52]

Its just as Christ dishonoring to His Saving Death to say that His death saved no one apart from their believing, as to say His death saved no one apart from their good works of charity, or keeping the law, or water baptism.

[brightfame52]

By Jesus Christ death upon the cross as our[His Church] Substitute, the Son of God paid our[His Church] debt, made atonement for our[His Church]sins, and redeemed us[His Church] from the curse of the law by making satisfaction to Divine justice for us[His Church].

[brightfame52]

Those Christ died for, they could never die in their sins, because when He died for them, He put away their sins Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

This truth is vital to Preaching the Cross, what resulted from Christs Cross work, the sacrificing of Himself for sinners.

[brightfame52]

John 12:32-33

32 And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men unto me.

33 This he said, signifying what death he should die.

Christs own testimony to His own Saving death, hence there isnt one soul for whom Christ died that shall not come to Him or come to believe on Him and follow Him !

[footwasher]

I'm sure that the Tabibito/Traveller knows that in East Asia, service to society, concern for it, is considered a good attitude.


They say, children obey rules out of fear. Adults out of choice. Wise men, out of understanding.


Immature people fret at the red light. They fear punishment, paying fines they can't afford, or they would jump the light. Adults choose to obey the rule, even though paying a fine is not a big deal. Wise men understand the necessity for stopping at lights: the system allows for safe operation of traffic. Lives are protected.


Imagine the leader of the country rushing to the airport to attend a meeting where a superpower has surfaced as a threat in the Pacific Region. The traffic policemen turns all the lights to red. He waves the leader's convoy through. Again lives are being protected.


The policeman is part of the Patron's system. He understands how the spirit of the law, rather than the letter of the law is important.


When we become part of God's family, friends, adopted sons, co-inheritors, the situation changes from working out of fear (Covenant of Law) to acting out of sharing common interest with our Lord (Covenant of Grace).


Jn 10
12He who is a hired hand, and not a shepherd, who is not the owner of the sheep, sees the wolf coming, and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf snatches them and scatters the flock.

[footwasher]

Re this one ...
We are subject to the law of Christ, or the law of God depending on passage.
The law referred to by Paul, when it has no descriptive comment, is usually the fulfilled "law of Moses and the prophets." Paul most commonly refers to it simply as "the law," with the full phrase being used only in the opening sentence(s), if at all.

We think that there are no rules, laws in the Covenant of Grace. Actually, they are there, but they are of a different nature.

Imagine being invited into the house of the person who is your superior, benefactor. As you arrive, another person who has been given the job of a butler also arrives. You have two suitcases in your hand. Your host asks you to let the butler carry your luggage. You decide to hand over one suitcase.

1. When you go to your room, you are caring for your luggage, which has come under the responsibilty of the host, the butler is doing work.

2. When you take out your clothes and hang them in the closet, you are enjoying the furniture and the facilities in the room, shown by thanking the host for the great room. He is doing work.

3. It begins to rain. The carpet begins to get wet. You both rush to close the windows. You are concerned about the possible damage to the carpet. He is doing work.

4. A wild animal enters the house. You worry about the safety of the host and his children, and look around for a weapon. The hired hand worries if the job is worth the risk to himself and the loss to his family, and considers running away.

All this to show that the status of a believer changes from servant to friend after justification. Abraham was called a friend of God. Jesus told his disciples they were no longer considered servants, but friends.

The action of a hired hand is obligation to salary received. Those of a friend are loyal responses to a loved and respected benefactor/Patron. Those are the rules that apply in the respective situations.

James 2
8If, however, you are fulfilling the [h]royal law according to the Scripture, “YOU SHALL LOVE YOUR NEIGHBOR AS YOURSELF,” you are doing well. 9But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the Law as violators. 10For whoever keeps the whole Law, yet stumbles in one point, has become guilty of all.

Romans 3.21-22 says that our previous relationship with God was an employment contract, but now is a friendship covenant.

Rom 3
21But now apart [p]from the Law the righteousness of God has been revealed, being witnessed by the [q]Law and the Prophets, 22but it is the righteousness of God through faith in Jesus Christ for all those [r]who believe; for there is no distinction,

[footwasher]

I already have shown you that by all these posts I have made and you are adverse to or have ignored. Thats on you

Actually you simply ignored the questions.

[tabibito]

Wrong. Paul wrote that he was not free from God's law, but was still under it:

Re this one ...
We are subject to the law of Christ, or the law of God depending on passage.
The law referred to by Paul, when it has no descriptive comment, is usually the fulfilled "law of Moses and the prophets." Paul most commonly refers to it simply as "the law," with the full phrase being used only in the opening sentence(s), if at all.

[brightfame52]

Just because you say we don't get it, don't understand or are wrong doesn't mean you are right. You have to show how we are wrong.

I already have shown you that by all these posts I have made and you are adverse to or have ignored. Thats on you

[footwasher]

You dont get it.

Just because you say we don't get it, don't understand or are wrong doesn't mean you are right. You have to show how we are wrong.

[brightfame52]

Hebrews 9:15 ... From there, it is necessary to establish who is called, and what part "might" plays in that statement. Also Romans 6:23 does not rescind Romans 8:13.

You dont get it.

[footwasher]

Hebrews 9:15 ... From there, it is necessary to establish who is called, and what part "might" plays in that statement. Also Romans 6:23 does not rescind Romans 8:13.

Absolutely. Jews, Israel was called but only Caleb was chosen. Now the messengers go into the byways and call all, both Jew and Gentile, but, again, only a few are chosen, rebutting the Calvin-istic claim that all the called are saved.

Matt 22
14For many are [g]called, but few are chosen.

Even those called must persist, or they will also be cut off, as shown in Rom 8.15, and parallels. Those given the Spirit, the elected, must live according to the Spirit, or they will lose their salvation, this showing the Calvin-istic doctrine of preservation is also wrong:

Galatians 6
8For the one who sows to his own flesh will reap destruction from the flesh, but the one who sows to the Spirit will reap eternal life from the Spirit.

If the OP cares to engage we will demolish the argument in a supernatural way:

2 Cor 10
5We demolish arguments and every pretension that sets itself up against the knowledge of God, and we take captive every thought to make it obedient to Christ.

1 Cor 3
15If anyone’s work is burned up, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet only so as through fire.

[tabibito]

Christ’s Death Actually Saves:

Because those He died for resulted in their eternal redemption, it obtained t for them Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Thats Salvation, the word redemption here means
a ransoming, a redemption
Usage: (in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release. specifically, redemption from the penalty of sin

Redemption from the penalty of sin, which penalty is eternal death as Per Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So redemption from the penalty of sin is the Gift of God by and through Christ by His death having obtained eternal redemption for us, which is eternal life from eternal death, which is Salvation ! In fct eternal redemption equates to that eternal inheritance the redeemed is called to Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Eternal inheritance is equvilaent to that eternal life in Rom 6:23 10

Hebrews 9:15 ... From there, it is necessary to establish who is called, and what part "might" plays in that statement. Also Romans 6:23 does not rescind Romans 8:13.

[brightfame52]

Christ’s Death Actually Saves:

Because those He died for resulted in their eternal redemption, it obtained t for them Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Thats Salvation, the word redemption here means
a ransoming, a redemption
Usage: (in the Old Testament: ransoming from imprisonment for debt, or from slavery, release from national misfortune, etc.), liberation, deliverance, release. specifically, redemption from the penalty of sin

Redemption from the penalty of sin, which penalty is eternal death as Per Rom 6:23
23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

So redemption from the penalty of sin is the Gift of God by and through Christ by His death having obtained eternal redemption for us, which is eternal life from eternal death, which is Salvation ! In fct eternal redemption equates to that eternal inheritance the redeemed is called to Heb 9:15

15 And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

Eternal inheritance is equvilaent to that eternal life in Rom 6:23 10