The Saving results of the Death of Christ !

[footwasher]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely redeemed them unto God, by His Blood observe Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

To be redeemed to God is Salvation, or why the New Song ?

Scripture says we are either gathering or scattering, for God or against Him, serving Him or mammon.

Gathering is what Adam did, making all creation serve God, taming it, naming it, leading it to the Master in a usable state, like a wrangler makes a wild horse useful for the Ranch Owner.

You can see how Caleb guided Rahab to God, by revealing His light in his life. A type of what being in Rest looked like.

Also Jesus showed the reality of that type, in being the actual light, here and many other instances:

John 9
1As he went along, he saw a man blind from birth. 2His disciples asked him, “Rabbi, who sinned, this man or his parents, that he was born blind?”

3“Neither this man nor his parents sinned,” said Jesus, “but this happened so that the works of God might be displayed in him. 4As long as it is day, we must do the works of him who sent me. Night is coming, when no one can work. 5While I am in the world, I am the light of the world.”


Resulting in Nicodemus being guided to God:

John 3
1Now there was a Pharisee, a man named Nicodemus who was a member of the Jewish ruling council. 2He came to Jesus at night and said, “Rabbi, we know that you are a teacher who has come from God. For no one could perform the signs you are doing if God were not with him.”

So Jesus said He could be the light, motivate people to seek God, by exhibiting His supernatural presence, by being in the Kingdom.

Can you show you are in the Kingdom in the same Way, by supernaturally removing evil, opening physical eyes, through touch, or spritual eyes, by shedding light on Darkened Scripture? Problems God created in advance so that we may walk in them, solve them, to bring people to Him, through us?

Is 45
7I create evil, form darkness. I the Lord do such things.

[brightfame52]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely redeemed them unto God, by His Blood observe Rev 5:9

9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;

To be redeemed to God is Salvation, or why the New Song ?

[footwasher]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely obtained for them eternal redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Not made it available, or merely possible, He obtained it for them, and brings them into the realization of it.

The word redemption here lutrósis:

lętrōsis (a feminine noun) – properly, the payment of the full ransom-price to free a slave – particularly the redemption of an individual.

This redemption frees the sinner from neing a slave to sin, to obeying the Truth Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants or slave of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

God must be thanked for being made free from being a slave of sin unto obedience, because He sent Christ to obtain eternal redemption for them !

Like I said, you're boasting of a redemption, freedom from sin, you don't have. You're not God's people yet, only those who are, have entered Rest, have it:

Heb 4
9There remains, then, a Sabbath-rest for the people of God; 10for anyone who enters God’s rest also rests from their works, ^e just as God did from his. 11Let us, therefore, make every effort to enter that rest, so that no one will perish by following their example of disobedience.

It's available, made possible, Jesus having obtained it for all mankind, the world, kosmos. However, you have to make efforts to get it.

John 3
16For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life.

[brightfame52]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely obtained for them eternal redemption Heb 9:12

12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

Not made it available, or merely possible, He obtained it for them, and brings them into the realization of it.

The word redemption here lutrósis:

lętrōsis (a feminine noun) – properly, the payment of the full ransom-price to free a slave – particularly the redemption of an individual.

This redemption frees the sinner from neing a slave to sin, to obeying the Truth Rom 6:17

17 But God be thanked, that ye were the servants or slave of sin, but ye have obeyed from the heart that form of doctrine which was delivered you.

God must be thanked for being made free from being a slave of sin unto obedience, because He sent Christ to obtain eternal redemption for them !

[footwasher]

footwasher

Not here to discuss me, but the saving death of Christ. Post 441 care to discuss it ?

It's like you admire your neighbour's fantastic car or house. What's the point if you can't own it?

Election and salvation is good, but the fact is you don't have it, because the benefits have not come to you. Remember, Jesus said that those who were faithful to Him have already passed from death into life. You have not passed from death into life. There is no change in you. No gift has been given to you, to bless the world, as promised to Abraham.

[brightfame52]

footwasher

You mean Christ's death only achieved forgiveness for the Elect.

Correct

So, are you one of the Elect?

Not here to discuss me, but the saving death of Christ. Post 441 care to discuss it ?

[brightfame52]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely redeemed them from the curse of the Law Gal 3:13

13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

Thats Salvation, for sin finds its curses because of the Law 1 Cor 15:56

The sting of death is sin; and the strength of sin is the law.

The law nor sin can condemn any sinner Christ died for.

[footwasher]

And God, being no respecter of persons, looks at what the person does rather than his income, social status, or race. It is true that the elect are no more deserving of salvation than anyone else, for there is no-one has lived righteously throughout his life, but God does look upon repentance favourably. He looks on a lack of repentance with disfavour. Repentance is less a matter of hand-wringing and screaming mea culpa than it is a heartfelt decision to stop sinning, and that decision is the first in a series of steps in doing what is right.

Well, for the OP, God being no respecter of persons, does not even look at what the person does. That's how the doctrine of unconditional election is explained in Calvinism.

That's why, instead of going round and round in arguing why God chose Jacob instead of Esau in the womb, even before either child had done anything, good or bad, I chose to discuss the OP's personal election, which Calvinism gives no assurance of. Which a better study of Scripture can actually so give.

Let's see what the OP has to say.

[tabibito]

However, the OP keeps banging on about how the Elect do not do anything to deserve being elected. The whole point of the doctrine of election is that it is God who decides who is elect and who isn't, and by that election, who is saved and who isn't.

And God, being no respecter of persons, looks at what the person does rather than his income, social status, or race. It is true that the elect are no more deserving of salvation than anyone else, for there is no-one has lived righteously throughout his life, but God does look upon repentance favourably. He looks on a lack of repentance with disfavour. Repentance is less a matter of hand-wringing and screaming mea culpa than it is a heartfelt decision to stop sinning, and that decision is the first in a series of steps in doing what is right.

[footwasher]

God is no respecter of person, but accepts anyone who does what is right.
Anyone who accepts Christ is given authority to become a son of God.
People who believe the gospel even though they are dead in their sins, and turn to do what is right are indeed self selecting.

However, the OP keeps banging on about how the Elect do not do anything to deserve being elected. The whole point of the doctrine of election is that it is God who decides who is elect and who isn't, and by that election, who is saved and who isn't, without any regard to what they want.

[tabibito]

That's kind of an oxymoron, since the Elect are the recipients of God's grace, do not merit justification, were chosen arbitrarily. When you say anyone can have the opportunity with no barrier of circumstance, you're saying they earned the opportunity by their own volition. They elected themselves.

God is no respecter of person, but accepts anyone who does what is right.
Anyone who accepts Christ is given authority to become a son of God.
People who believe the gospel even though they are dead in their sins, and turn to do what is right are indeed self selecting.

[footwasher]

Yes and no. Christ died to give the opportunity to anyone from whatever circumstance to be included as elect. The saving result accrues to those who take advantage of the opportunity.

That's kind of an oxymoron, since the Elect are the recipients of God's grace, do not merit justification, were chosen arbitrarily. When you say anyone can have the opportunity with no barrier of circumstance, you're saying they earned the opportunity by their own volition. They elected themselves.

[tabibito]

You mean Christ's death only achieved forgiveness for the Elect.

Yes and no. Christ died to give the opportunity to anyone from whatever circumstance to be included as elect. The saving result accrues to those who take advantage of the opportunity.

[footwasher]

Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely put away their sin before God Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The words put away means:

1. abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection

He cancelled their sins, made them non and void.

You mean Christ's death only achieved forgiveness for the Elect.

So, are you one of the Elect? How can you prove it? Great scholars couldn't prove they were one of the Elect. There must me something wrong with this view. Let's find nd out.

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Christ did so much more than dying for sin and making Salvation possible or available to all mankind, thats such a false teaching, However what He did do for them He died for, Gods Elect, He absolutely put away their sin before God Heb 9:26

26 For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

The words put away means:

1. abolition, disannulling, put away, rejection

He cancelled their sins, made them non and void.

Like Daniel stated He made and end of them Dan 9:24

Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

And so consequently, them for whom this has been done for, no charge of sin can be laid charged against them, not even unbelief/disobedience.