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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    I did explain it. You not attentive are you ?
    Please explain your personal experiential conversion, how you changed from lying to not lying.
    Last edited by footwasher; 01-07-2021, 08:17 PM.

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    Your point is that the conversion is experiential, like a Holy Spirit indwelt person feels warmth, not just understands a doctrine and believes it must have happened because he did the right things.

    If you say the elect have an experential conversion, and we assume you are having knowledge of that experience, why don't you explain what it is?
    I did explain it. You not attentive are you ?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    Question is personal and rabbit trail away from the point of the post. Do you understand the point ?
    Your point is that the conversion is experiential, like a Holy Spirit indwelt person feels warmth, not just understands a doctrine and believes it must have happened because he did the right things.

    If you say the elect have an experential conversion, and we assume you are having knowledge of that experience, why don't you explain what it is?

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    You say that the blood of Christ "effects experiential conversion", "converts them He died for unto serving the living God", which "means they shall live by the Faith of Christ unto serving the True and Living God".

    But why are you still sinful?

    Why are you still not "living by the faith of Christ, unto serving the True and Living God"?
    Question is personal and rabbit trail away from the point of the post. Do you understand the point ?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post
    The Blood/Death of Christ not only legally saved all for whom He died, but it also effects experiential salvation or conversion. Heb 9:12-14

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

    14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

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    How much more shall the blood of Christ purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

    You see this ? Its the powerful Blood of Christ that converts them He died for unto serving the living God. That means they shall live by the Faith of Christ unto serving the True and Living God.

    1 Thess 1:9

    For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

    ​This is a result of the powerful effectual blood of Christ !15
    You say that the blood of Christ "effects experiential conversion", "converts them He died for unto serving the living God", which "means they shall live by the Faith of Christ unto serving the True and Living God".

    But why are you still sinful?

    Why are you still not "living by the faith of Christ, unto serving the True and Living God"?

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  • brightfame52
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    The Blood/Death of Christ not only legally saved all for whom He died, but it also effects experiential salvation or conversion. Heb 9:12-14

    12 Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

    13 For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

    14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

    "
    How much more shall the blood of Christ purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?"

    You see this ? Its the powerful Blood of Christ that converts them He died for unto serving the living God. That means they shall live by the Faith of Christ unto serving the True and Living God.

    1 Thess 1:9

    For they themselves shew of us what manner of entering in we had unto you, and how ye turned to God from idols to serve the living and true God;

    ​This is a result of the powerful effectual blood of Christ !15

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    So you're telling. Well what did Christ's death do there?

    ;)
    Read the thread, its all about what Christs death does to save them He died for. Haven't u paid attention ?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    Don't you see the question mark ?
    So you're telling. Well what did Christ's death do there?

    ;)

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    Are you asking or telling?
    Don't you see the question mark ?

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by mossrose View Post

    You must know that footwasher is highly unorthodox in his beliefs. He doesn't hold to the tenets of faith that are scripturally sound.

    I usually ignore him.
    Understood!

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    Do you see what Christs death did here ?
    Are you asking or telling?

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  • footwasher
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    Originally posted by mossrose View Post

    You must know that footwasher is highly unorthodox in his beliefs. He doesn't hold to the tenets of faith that are scripturally sound.

    I usually ignore him.
    Correction. I'm unorthodox, not conforming to the majority view. But the Reformation did not conform to the majority view either. And the New Reformation, of which the New Perspective is one aspect, doesn't conform either.

    However, we are Scripturally sound. Confirmed by how the majority view cannot stand against the reformations' mission to form Scripturally based views.

    If you think different, prove it. It does need someone with substance, though.
    Last edited by footwasher; 01-03-2021, 06:54 PM.

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  • lee_merrill
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    Hi Brightflame, and welcome from me too! If you are arguing for limited atonement, I have a question:

    What is the good news that the non-elect are being commanded to repent and believe? That God loves other people? That the elect's sins have been paid for?

    Now the reply might be that "repent and believe the good news" is only directed really to the elect. But this verse seems to indicate differently:

    2 Thess. 2:10 They perish because they refused to love the truth and so be saved.

    What then is the truth, that if they had loved it, would have saved them, if Christ did not die for them? What can Paul mean, if there is no atonement for them? His statement seems to imply clearly that the alternative to their unbelief was salvation.

    2 Thess. 2:12 ... and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

    Why are they condemned for not believing that God does not love them, that Christ did not pay the price for their sins, for refusing to believe that there is no atonement for them?

    Blessings,
    Lee

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  • mossrose
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    Originally posted by brightfame52 View Post

    Do you see what Christs death did here ?
    You must know that footwasher is highly unorthodox in his beliefs. He doesn't hold to the tenets of faith that are scripturally sound.

    I usually ignore him.

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  • brightfame52
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    Originally posted by footwasher View Post

    There's a difference in your doctrine from mine. For example, the point above differs from my view. You believe that Christ died for the elect alone, individuals, based on Rom 9:12.

    However, it's clear that God chose nations, not individuals, for cutting off, punishment, so that His power could be demonstrated on the disobedient, causing men to come out from the world, and serve Him instead, just like He hardened Egypt, so that it would be a vessel of wrath, causing men's hearts to melt in fear and turn to serve God instead. Egypt faced God's wrath, but not the mixed multitude who turned to serve God.

    Genesis 25:22But the children struggled together within her; and she said, “If it is so, why am I in this condition?” So she went to inquire of the LORD. 23And the LORD said to her,

    “Two nations are in your womb;

    And two peoples will be separated from your body;

    And one people will be stronger than the other;

    And the older will serve the younger.”

    Nations not individuals, are being described. Esau never served Jacob, but Edom did serve Israel.
    Do you see what Christs death did here ?

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