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  • Preterism always the belief of Christianity?

    PRETERISM'S PREMISES
    Historical Christianity either:

    Purposely hid preterist interpretation for over 2000 years
    Ignorantly misunderstood basic eschatology for over 2000 years


    This is the starting point for preterism. If a preterist attempts to claim that preterism was "always" the belief of Christianity, they are hard pressed to demonstrate that claim, so there can only be two possibilities as defined above.

    Just because they are hard pressed doesn't keep them from trying. Bruce W. Gore, M.A., J.D., Whitworth University, where he has served on the adjunct faculty for over 20 years. He is also a preterist.

    http://www.brucegore.com/www.brucewg...m/Default.aspx

    He has a pretty good ten part series on the history of understanding the Apocalypse. In episode three he spends a large amount of time trying to show that Clement of Alexandria and Augustine were preterist. I have offered him corrections in the comment section at the bottom of the page. He accepted them.

    https://youtu.be/Qeqz1S2tX7M

    There are other criticisms I could have offered but didn't. He ignores the Epistle of Barnabas and the many similarities found in the Shepherd of Hermas. He also mostly ignores second temple literature before Christianity.
    Last edited by eschaton; 08-05-2015, 01:04 PM.
    666 And The Name

    http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D1M48M4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1594855398&refinements=p_2 7%3AAlan+Fuller&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Alan+Fuller

    https://sites.google.com/site/apocalypticwisdom/

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    You may want to fix the title.
    "It's evolution; every time you invent something fool-proof, the world invents a better fool."
    -Unknown

    "Preach the gospel, and if necessary use words." - Most likely St.Francis


    I find that evolution is the best proof of God.
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      thanks
      Don't know how.

      I wanted to mention that he uses Clement's interpretation of the 70 weeks to try and show he was a preterist. Saying the 70 weeks have been fulfilled doesn't make one a preterist. (See The Jewish Apocalyptic Heritage in Early Christianity by James C. Vanderkam (Editor), William Adler (Editor), Chapter 5)
      Last edited by eschaton; 08-05-2015, 01:36 PM.
      666 And The Name

      http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D1M48M4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1594855398&refinements=p_2 7%3AAlan+Fuller&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Alan+Fuller

      https://sites.google.com/site/apocalypticwisdom/

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        Originally posted by eschaton View Post
        thanks
        Don't know how.

        I wanted to mention that he uses Clement's interpretation of the 70 weeks to try and show he was a preterist. Saying the 70 weeks have been fulfilled doesn't make one a preterist. (See The Jewish Apocalyptic Heritage in Early Christianity by James C. Vanderkam (Editor), William Adler (Editor), Chapter 5)
        Ask one of the mods for this area to change the title for you. I think any green level mod would also be able to assist as well.

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        • #5
          Thx
          666 And The Name

          http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D1M48M4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1594855398&refinements=p_2 7%3AAlan+Fuller&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Alan+Fuller

          https://sites.google.com/site/apocalypticwisdom/

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