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  • #46
    Many of us are appalled by the recent insurrection at the capital.
    There is a profound connection to make, between conspiratorial thinking and millennialist interpretations of the Book of Revelation.
    https://www.abc.net.au/religion/why-...ories/13003550



    666 And The Name

    http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D1M48M4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1594855398&refinements=p_2 7%3AAlan+Fuller&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Alan+Fuller

    https://sites.google.com/site/apocalypticwisdom/

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    • #47
      Originally posted by eschaton View Post
      Many of us are appalled by the recent insurrection at the capital.
      There is a profound connection to make, between conspiratorial thinking and millennialist interpretations of the Book of Revelation.
      https://www.abc.net.au/religion/why-...ories/13003550


      It's not going to stop at the capitol. Even if I'm wrong and this has nothing to do with futurism, what's about the befall on America is going to be pretty terrible. It doesn't take a conspiratorial mind to know that history is full of falling empires and the tragedies that ensue as a result. It's especially going to be bad for us Christians. It's only natural under the circumstances that MSM would go in that direction. So if you're going to do Satan's bidding by propagating that anti-christ trash, you can stay out of this thread.
      "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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      • #48
        Originally posted by seanD View Post

        It's not going to stop at the capitol. Even if I'm wrong and this has nothing to do with futurism, what's about the befall on America is going to be pretty terrible. It doesn't take a conspiratorial mind to know that history is full of falling empires and the tragedies that ensue as a result. It's especially going to be bad for us Christians. It's only natural under the circumstances that MSM would go in that direction. So if you're going to do Satan's bidding by propagating that anti-christ trash, you can stay out of this thread.
        Thanks for proving my point. It's sad to see the antichrist rioters waving Jesus flags and doing the antichrist's bidding by bringing disrespect and hatred on Christ. These people should be ashamed because they are antichrist and so is anybody spreading untrue propaganda like the rioters.
        666 And The Name

        http://https://www.amazon.com/dp/B08D1M48M4/ref=sr_1_1?dchild=1&qid=1594855398&refinements=p_2 7%3AAlan+Fuller&s=digital-text&sr=1-1&text=Alan+Fuller

        https://sites.google.com/site/apocalypticwisdom/

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        • #49
          Originally posted by eschaton View Post
          Many of us are appalled by the recent insurrection at the capital.
          There is a profound connection to make, between conspiratorial thinking and millennialist interpretations of the Book of Revelation.
          https://www.abc.net.au/religion/why-...ories/13003550


          I am SO glad you didn't put an s at the end of Revelation!
          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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          • #50
            Originally posted by eschaton View Post

            Thanks for proving my point. It's sad to see the antichrist rioters waving Jesus flags and doing the antichrist's bidding by bringing disrespect and hatred on Christ. These people should be ashamed because they are antichrist and so is anybody spreading untrue propaganda like the rioters.
            You should start a thread about it, or go argue in circles about it with the others in civics. That isn't the subject of the thread.
            "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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            • #51
              Originally posted by seanD View Post
              [snip]

              - Pandemic is here to stay, and even if Covid goes away, a worse pandemic will take its place soon after.
              - Pandemic enforced mandates will not let up either in the US or abroad (if current mandates let up, it will only be replaced with newer mandates -- i.e. mandatory vaccine, immunization verification, etc.).
              - Biden will resort to executive order to enforce radical ("reset") multilateral policies and reforms (assuming the Dems don't get a senate majority).
              - Political division and conflict will worsen.
              - Economy will worsen (especially for the lower classes).
              - Social unrest will worsen.
              - Biden will use executive orders to try and regain order in the US as a result of increased social unrest.
              - Digital verification immunization will come to the forefront in discussions and debates (and how to specifically deal with the constitutional aspects of it being mandatory).
              - Digital currency will also become predominant (with much scoffing in the MSM about public paranoia of the "the mark of the beast").

              So buckle up. I suspect what we saw in 2020 is just a taste of what's coming in the next four or so years. Is it the rise of the Beast? I don't know, but it's a situation we need to pay attention to. If you're a Christian, you should be mindful of all this regardless of your eschatology. However, I should stress, if you are Christian, being mindful doesn't mean you have to fear or panic about it, and that's not at all what these threads are about, especially since this won't come unexpectedly to you if all this I've outlined does come to fruition.
              I have seen many versions of "it's the mark of the beast", and have always managed to show how silly that was.

              This has a really different feel. It seems like almost overnight "big tech" has censored debate, it's totally acceptable to castigate people for any opinion that doesn't fit what we would think was anti-Christian.
              Even big companies are jumping on the bandwagon with the censoring of views with which they do not agree.
              While I'm still hesitant to say this is "the mark of the Beast", or "it's here" - I have never seen events so clearly "staged" for what's to come.

              It used to be the left that would scream "free speech" and they were (or pretended to be) anti-censorship. That has dramatically flopped.

              I'm wondering how long before Silicon Valley decides that Christian Churches are spewing forth 'hate speech' by preaching Jesus and family values, and decide to 'suspend' our livestream church services.

              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                I have seen many versions of "it's the mark of the beast", and have always managed to show how silly that was.

                This has a really different feel. It seems like almost overnight "big tech" has censored debate, it's totally acceptable to castigate people for any opinion that doesn't fit what we would think was anti-Christian.
                Even big companies are jumping on the bandwagon with the censoring of views with which they do not agree.
                While I'm still hesitant to say this is "the mark of the Beast", or "it's here" - I have never seen events so clearly "staged" for what's to come.

                It used to be the left that would scream "free speech" and they were (or pretended to be) anti-censorship. That has dramatically flopped.

                I'm wondering how long before Silicon Valley decides that Christian Churches are spewing forth 'hate speech' by preaching Jesus and family values, and decide to 'suspend' our livestream church services.
                I generally agree with you except it's the new woke culture driving this and Silicon Valley is following the path of least resistance which is to go with the flow. I too have been wondering when the woke are going to decided Christian Churches are no good and start going after them. I've seen a couple articles already dealing with the idea. I think this is what I was imperfectly seeing when I started this thread: https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...e-coming-storm
                "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                  I generally agree with you except it's the new woke culture driving this and Silicon Valley is following the path of least resistance which is to go with the flow.
                  Good point!

                  I too have been wondering when the woke are going to decided Christian Churches are no good and start going after them. I've seen a couple articles already dealing with the idea. I think this is what I was imperfectly seeing when I started this thread: https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...e-coming-storm
                  We already see where some countries allow "the right kinds of churches" to exist, and suppress those who actually preach the Word.
                  "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                    I generally agree with you except it's the new woke culture driving this and Silicon Valley is following the path of least resistance which is to go with the flow. I too have been wondering when the woke are going to decided Christian Churches are no good and start going after them. I've seen a couple articles already dealing with the idea. I think this is what I was imperfectly seeing when I started this thread: https://theologyweb.com/campus/forum...e-coming-storm
                    It looks too coordinated to be just that. Especially all the services cutting off the alternative social media sites like Parler and apparently going after Gab. I think this is being coordinated with government.
                    "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by seanD View Post

                      It looks too coordinated to be just that. Especially all the services cutting off the alternative social media sites like Parler and apparently going after Gab. I think this is being coordinated with government.
                      I personally would go with Satan is coordinating all this.
                      "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                      "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                        I personally would go with Satan is coordinating all this.
                        Well, yeah, that's a given. The fact supernatural forces are at play here is the only way i can get my mind wrapped around all that I described in post #43. There's no way human beings can coordinate something like that no matter how powerful and wealthy. Which is what leads me to believe this all has eschatological significance.
                        "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

                          I personally would go with Satan is coordinating all this.
                          And those "Christians" who are so willfully playing into his hands...... have Mercy, Lord.
                          "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                            And those "Christians" who are so willfully playing into his hands...... have Mercy, Lord.
                            "And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death." Luke 21:16. That passage has never been more clear to me than now.
                            "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by seanD View Post

                              "And ye shall be betrayed both by parents, and brethren, and kinsfolks, and friends; and some of you shall they cause to be put to death." Luke 21:16. That passage has never been more clear to me than now.
                              I've talked to some of my pastor buddies, and all of us seem to agree --- of all the other times people were claiming "this is it", and we dismissed that, it seems that if this is NOT "it", it's certainly possible this is the beginning.

                              MEANWHILE, we are to occupy til He comes!
                              "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                              • #60
                                It's go time. Biden's EO towards the "Great Reset" (emphasis mine):

                                Biden’s chief of staff sent out this memo previewing dozens of executive orders he’ll sign in his first days in office to attack 4 crises: “COVID-19, economic crisis, the climate crisis, and a racial equity crisis.”
                                What I said...

                                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                                Economic crisis, climate change, and now pandemic are the triad crisis factors they uniformly reference in current writings and speeches and are the factors driving this reform ideology.
                                I was off by one, though to be fair, I did point out that they'd address "racial equity" in another area of my forecast outline.

                                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                                They'll take advantage of the pandemic to get certain radical policies through and yield to the progressive left with socialist programs and programs based on "racial equity" where necessary to keep them satisfied.
                                Only thing I've been wrong about so far is how fast things are moving. I honestly didn't expect things to move this rapid. 20 days in and so far...

                                Originally posted by seanD View Post
                                - Pandemic is here to stay, and even if Covid goes away, a worse pandemic will take its place soon after.
                                - Pandemic enforced mandates will not let up either in the
                                US or abroad (if current mandates let up, it will only be replaced with newer mandates -- i.e. mandatory vaccine, immunization verification, etc.).
                                - Biden will resort to executive order to enforce radical ("reset") multilateral policies and reforms (assuming the Dems don't get a senate majority).
                                - Political division and conflict will worsen.
                                - Economy will worsen (especially for the lower classes).
                                - Social unrest will worsen.
                                - Biden will use executive orders to try and regain order in the
                                US as a result of increased social unrest.
                                - Digital verification immunization will come to the forefront in discussions and debates (and how to specifically deal with the constitutional aspects of it being mandatory).
                                - Digital currency will also become predominant (with much scoffing in the MSM about public paranoia of the "the mark of the beast").
                                Check, check and check.

                                "I was the CIA director. We lied, we cheated, we stole, it was like... we had entire training courses. It reminds you of the glory of the American experiment." - Mike Pompeo, Secretary of State (source).

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