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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostAre you sure that the Scriptures teach an upcoming one-world-religion? I am confident talk of a movement like this will remain talk and never materialize. You would do well not to partake in this, you will only be wasting your time. Go make disciples, articulate the gospel, and a live a life characterized by good deeds and you will be on the right track.Rev13
8 All inhabitants of the earth will worship the beast—all whose names have not been written in the Lamb’s book of life, the Lamb who was slain from the creation of the world.
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11 Then I saw a second beast, coming out of the earth. It had two horns like a lamb, but it spoke like a dragon. 12 It exercised all the authority of the first beast on its behalf, and made the earth and its inhabitants worship the first beast, whose fatal wound had been healed. 13 And it performed great signs, even causing fire to come down from heaven to the earth in full view of the people. 14 Because of the signs it was given power to perform on behalf of the first beast, it deceived the inhabitants of the earth. It ordered them to set up an image in honor of the beast who was wounded by the sword and yet lived. 15 The second beast was given power to give breath to the image of the first beast, so that the image could speak and cause all who refused to worship the image to be killed.
Now, when this actually happens kinda depends on where you stand with regard to the rapture and the tribulation. As a pre-trib rapturist (if such a term cam be used ) I believe that we may come close to a single world wide religion but that it won't become fully formed until after the rapture. I do not feel that an organization is needed, rather that all faiths individually rise up and condemn, with a multitude of voices, that violence in the name of Religion is not acceptable and will not be tolerated. Such condemnation would, in theory at least, be most effective coming from the people whose faith is being hijacked. Terrorists would be marginalized by their own people.
If you'll excuse me now, I will don my rose colored glasses.Outside of a dog, a book is man's best friend. Inside a dog, it's too dark to read. -- Groucho Marx
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Originally posted by moreta View PostNIV
Now, when this actually happens kinda depends on where you stand with regard to the rapture and the tribulation. As a pre-trib rapturist (if such a term cam be used ) I believe that we may come close to a single world wide religion but that it won't become fully formed until after the rapture. I do not feel that an organization is needed, rather that all faiths individually rise up and condemn, with a multitude of voices, that violence in the name of Religion is not acceptable and will not be tolerated. Such condemnation would, in theory at least, be most effective coming from the people whose faith is being hijacked. Terrorists would be marginalized by their own people.Last edited by Scrawly; 09-07-2014, 11:47 PM.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostSaw this article yesterday: http://blogs.reuters.com/faithworld/...-pope-francis/ about Shimon Peres proposing a United Nation style organization of Religious Groups. The purpose is to fight against those who commit violence in the name of religion.
For the first time in my life, I see a viable way for a one world religion to be established.
The group would start by saying the violence in the name of religion like practiced by militant Islam is wrong. To be "fair" they would add in the violence committed by Hindus and Buddhist in Asia plus Christian Missionary violence against native peoples in the past. This would sound all well and good and acceptance of the group to judge religion would grow.
Eventually they will start looking at beliefs of groups and say these can't be permitted either. You think you're religion is the only way to God, you're out. Male-only clergy is not acceptable. Eventually you could go to different religions and have style differences but not real difference in belief. The end result would not be a single world-wide denomination but multiple denominations all teaching the same thing under this umbrella organization.
Beginning in 1844 the Baha'i Faith has embraced this goal from a theist perspective, and writings to support them. The principles and goals of the United Nations, Unitarian Universalists, and Humanist Manifesto are first Revealed in detail in the Baha'i writings from the theist perspective including waging war in the name of religion.
This thread goes best in Comparative Religions.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI think the history of Christianity suggests that state-sponsored churches are not a good idea, but I don't want to derail your thread so I'll just leave this there.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI believe Romans 13 supports a Christian Theocracy.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI was reminded of what China is doing. They're trying to set up their own nationalism-friendly, state-sponsored version of the Christian church. This is an excellent spiritual opportunity for genuine Christians in China. Consider what happened in Germany that led to the Confessing Church.1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
taking it upon themselves to deprive you
of the right to call yourself Christian.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostI was reminded of what China is doing. They're trying to set up their own nationalism-friendly, state-sponsored version of the Christian church. This is an excellent spiritual opportunity for genuine Christians in China. Consider what happened in Germany that led to the Confessing Church.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Romans 13 is perhaps one of the most mistranslated chapters in the Bible. Also the most misinterpreted one.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostRomans 13 is perhaps one of the most mistranslated chapters in the Bible. Also the most misinterpreted one.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostMaybe, but it justified theocracies in Christianity for thousands of years, and the Roman Church confirmed by the writings of St. Augustine.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Truthseeker View PostWould you mind making a detailed justification for those claims?
Last edited by shunyadragon; 09-10-2014, 05:49 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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No.
Apparently I was not clear in my OP. Allow me to restate my position.
I am ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY AGAINST the establishment of a one world religion and I would not IN ANY WAY SUPPORT SUCH AN ORGANIZATION. I believe such an organization would be a denial of the truth of Christianity that God incarnated on earth as man to save us from our sins. It would end being in opposition to historical Christianity as the points of view are fundamentally incompatible.
I posted this as I have read for years about the coming one-world religion but for the first time I saw a really viable path to its establishment. I posted this in a Christian portion because I was interested in other Christians opinions on how much of a sign of the times (not necessarily the end times) this was."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis is not news. The Three-Self Patriotic Movement is decades old - and China has a huge number of house churches that want nothing to do with it."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostNo.
Apparently I was not clear in my OP. Allow me to restate my position.
I am ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY AGAINST the establishment of a one world religion and I would not IN ANY WAY SUPPORT SUCH AN ORGANIZATION. I believe such an organization would be a denial of the truth of Christianity that God incarnated on earth as man to save us from our sins. It would end being in opposition to historical Christianity as the points of view are fundamentally incompatible.
I posted this as I have read for years about the coming one-world religion but for the first time I saw a really viable path to its establishment. I posted this in a Christian portion because I was interested in other Christians opinions on how much of a sign of the times (not necessarily the end times) this was.
Also, that there is theistic religion that has these goals since 1844, the Baha'i Faith that has a theistic basis for these goals.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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