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  • #91
    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    Follow-up prediction Part 2:

    The debate is over. Unless you've been under a rock, we know covid digital passports are a thing now and without question will be implemented in society in the near future. Some countries have already implemented it, some countries are in the process of designing it and will eventually implement it immediately and abruptly, while other countries, like the US (for obvious legal reasons), will likely go about it at a much more gradual pace after serious and heated national debate. Only exception to the latter is if we have another fierce wave pandemic that "unexpectedly" disrupts our society again (not totally ruling that out).

    Here's my next prediction to where this will all lead.

    In the US, I think it will first be implemented by the travel and airline companies (who got massive government funds -- keep that in mind), then, aside from "unexpected" and unmitigating circumstances, it will gradually progress over time as other businesses adopt the technology. Biden and his admin will publicly feign like they're steering clear from it for obvious reasons (while collaborating with industries behind the scenes).

    It will be more than just a card, because these are already being issued and, as expected, there's a forgery black market. It will probably be a phone app at first, and here is where the inevitable issues pop up. First of all, not everyone has a phone, obviously. Secondly, even with a phone there are endless issues -- i.e. phone gets stolen, lost, they forget it at home, battery goes dead, phone sharing between relatives or friends, etc. There will also undoubtedly be a black market for hacks you can download that will give fraudulent data. This is where it will start to get creepy. Once the public is acclimated, the solution to these numerous issues will end up with the only inevitable solution -- something more personal and invasive that will lead to...

    Either an RFID chip or some other biometric technology that can be embedded into the skin, unseen. I tend to lean towards the latter because RFID technology is old tech and sort of outdated; I think they have far more advanced methods for this. This solves all problems previously mentioned.

    Assuming this is where it eventually leads, and I firmly believe it will so this is officially my second prediction -- the question is: will this be the Beast system? This time you can disregard the title of the thread because I honestly can't give an answer. At the very least, this will be an extreme move in that direction. I will say that if the third temple in Israel is being built or built by the time this comes to fruition -- look out.

    Theoretical scenario.

    I left this for last because this is more of an aside of how this may all play out that I'm less sure of than everything else I've just described above, which would go something like this: There will be another lockdown and slew of mandate restrictions (this time initiated federally) as a result of a national covid surge. This will allow the process I described above to move much faster. Businesses are barely surviving as it is, but this will be the ultimate culling, leaving a significantly smaller field of surviving companies. The companies that are left will get incentives from government (i.e. bail-out money) if they adopt the passport technology (in the name of "public safety and health" of course).

    This way, rather than government forcing this process directly, they can steer it indirectly with subtle coercion. Any business is free to ignore the technology, but won't get government funds if they do. If lockdowns are severe enough, the businesses that don't take the funds will just go bankrupt (or there may be a weird type of two-tier socioeconomic system that will be divided across partisan lines in different counties and states?).

    Nonetheless, whether this moves fast or slow, eventually we'll be left with a crony corporatism/technocratic environment where you must show your digital code to move freely throughout society; all the while government publicly asserting it has nothing to do with it (maybe even feigning a bit of fake verbal opposition and outrage against it). Even though I'm not as sure it play out exactly like this, this just seems like the smartest way for government to go about this implementation (and I'm thinking devil's advocate here; obviously I'm not endorsing this).

    Just so you know, lest anyone is under the false impression that my prediction was wrong, the push for global digital vaccine passports isn't over...

    Vaccine Passports: World’s 20 Biggest Economies Give Go-Ahead

    The G20 meeting–where the world’s biggest economies meet to make decisions–took place Tuesday, and members decided to throw their weight behind vaccination passports, as a means of boosting the global travel and tourism economy.

    Taking place remotely from Rome, and headed by the current G20 president, Italian Prime Minister Mario Draghi, Bloomberg reported that tourism ministers gave their backing of the use of vaccine passports, deeming them crucial to global economic recovery, according to Italian Tourism Minister Massimo Garavaglia.

    They are advocating the use of the EU’s Digital Green Certificate as a base to coordinate worldwide initiatives–France began trialing its version in April, where travelers will download vaccination certificates and negative Covid-19 test results into a mobile phone application. It is not yet clear how the passport process will work for visitors from third-party countries.
    My timing was wrong, but I wasn't wrong. The push was just inexplicably delayed. The reason it was delayed is not really important (maybe something to do with the midterms?), though it is a puzzle as to why, but what's important is that this push is going to continue.

    As I suspect there's going to be more pandemic crisis in 2023 to enforce it. Whether it's covid or some other pathogen I'm not entirely sure, though I suspect it will be covid, only a much more potent variant of it.
    "What am I doing here?" -- Joe Biden 2021

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    • #92
      Originally posted by seanD View Post


      Just so you know, lest anyone is under the false impression that my prediction was wrong, the push for global digital vaccine passports isn't over...

      Vaccine Passports: World’s 20 Biggest Economies Give Go-Ahead



      My timing was wrong, but I wasn't wrong. The push was just inexplicably delayed. The reason it was delayed is not really important (maybe something to do with the midterms?), though it is a puzzle as to why, but what's important is that this push is going to continue.

      As I suspect there's going to be more pandemic crisis in 2023 to enforce it. Whether it's covid or some other pathogen I'm not entirely sure, though I suspect it will be covid, only a much more potent variant of it.
      My bad. Here's the updated '22 article...

      G20 Promotes WHO-Standardized Global Vaccine Passport and ‘Digital Health’ Identity Scheme

      Leaders of the Group of 20 (G20) have issued a joint declaration promoting a global standard on proof of vaccination for international travel and calling for the establishment of “global digital health networks” that build on existing digital COVID-19 vaccine passport schemes.

      The joint statement followed the conclusion of the G20 summit held in Bali, Indonesia, where leaders discussed global challenges and coordinating policies in response, including to future pandemics.

      “We acknowledge the importance of shared technical standards and verification methods, under the framework of the IHR (2005), to facilitate seamless international travel, interoperability, and recognizing digital solutions and non-digital solutions, including proof of vaccinations,” the G20 joint declaration reads.

      The International Health Regulations (2005) is an instrument of international law developed under the auspices of the World Health Organization (WHO) that lays down a global framework for responding to the international spread of disease.

      The WHO-backed standard, which entered into force in 2007, required countries to strengthen surveillance capacities at border crossings and introduced a series of health documents, including international certificates of vaccination.

      Besides acknowledging the utility of the IHR framework, the G20 leaders said they support ongoing “international dialogue and collaboration on the establishment of trusted global digital health networks as part of the efforts to strengthen prevention and response to future pandemics.”

      They added that these global digital health networks should “capitalize and build on the success of the existing standards and digital COVID-19 certificates.”
      Interesting how this is getting practically NO media attention, though I guess I'm not surprised.

      So they seem to be moving away from lockdowns (so I was wrong about the last part of my prediction I stated I wasn't sure of), which only underscores how much more forceful they'll be in their push for the passport. IOW, they're clearly shifting away from collective lockdown to individual lockdown.
      Last edited by seanD; 11-18-2022, 03:40 PM.
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