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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.

However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.

End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.

Millennialism- post-, pre- a-

Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.

From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    I just don't see why you keep bringing it up when it isn't relevant to the thread, nor has it ever been an issue in this forum, to my knowledge.
    I'm dropping it, Sean. I suggest you do, too. But, PLEASE, feel free to have the last word!

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Nor did I say they did. I expressed my opinion, and you seemed to want to take that on as a battle.



    The ONLY reason it keeps coming up is because you seem to want to battle over it.
    I just don't see why you keep bringing it up when it isn't relevant to the thread, nor has it ever been an issue in this forum, to my knowledge.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    As to your second, okay, but like I said, no one has ever set date here.
    Nor did I say they did. I expressed my opinion, and you seemed to want to take that on as a battle.

    Every Christian in this thread would agree with you about specific date setting, so it's sort of a redundancy to keep repeating it.
    The ONLY reason it keeps coming up is because you seem to want to battle over it.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Ah, so Christ commanded us to stand by the door and wait for the knock? That's just silly.



    My specific objection has been DATE SETTING. Are you trying to do THAT? My Job is to "occupy" til He comes. I'm gonna continue doing that -- you can wait by the door.

    Source: Luke 19

    12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

    © Copyright Original Source

    I don't understand your first paragraph at all. I was making reference to Matt 24:33

    As to your second, okay, but like I said, no one has ever set date here. Every Christian in this thread would agree with you about specific date setting, so it's sort of a redundancy to keep repeating it. The thread, according to KH, was directed to my Time of Sorrows thread, which didn't set a date. So I'm responding in that context.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    A futurist can remain just as faithful to Christ as you are and still obey the commands of Christ to know "when he's at the door."
    Ah, so Christ commanded us to stand by the door and wait for the knock? That's just silly.

    The two are not mutually exclusive, so I don't see the point in this argument unless you think they are.
    My specific objection has been DATE SETTING. Are you trying to do THAT? My Job is to "occupy" til He comes. I'm gonna continue doing that -- you can wait by the door.

    Source: Luke 19

    12 He said therefore, A certain nobleman went into a far country to receive for himself a kingdom, and to return. 13 And he called his ten servants, and delivered them ten pounds, and said unto them, Occupy till I come.

    © Copyright Original Source

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And I believe, if we are truly the followers of Christ, that we be faithful to the end, regardless when that end is. Sure, we observe the signs, but we don't set dates.
    A futurist can remain just as faithful to Christ as you are and still obey the commands of Christ to know "when he's at the door." The two are not mutually exclusive, so I don't see the point in this argument unless you think they are.


    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
    Some of the signs as listed in the Olivet Discourse and elsewhere in Scripture could easily apply to any number of different eras. Wars and rumors of wars have been omnipresent since the dawn of human civilization, and selfishness has always been part of the fallen human nature. But these signs can nonetheless serve as good reminders that evil will not always reign supreme and that Jesus will, in fact, return.
    Once again, your issue is not with us, your issue is with the Lord who commanded us to observe the signs he gave in order to "know when he's at the door." You're pretty much arguing against what the Lord himself said. You might want to step back and let that sink in because it doesn't seem like you're grasping the reality of that.

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And I believe, if we are truly the followers of Christ, that we be faithful to the end, regardless when that end is. Sure, we observe the signs, but we don't set dates.
    Whether it's the end of you or the end of the universe being a fallen one? And then we have a new body and a new creation!

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  • KingsGambit
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    Originally posted by Paprika View Post
    I'm no futurist, but I agree with SeanD: that if futurism is true, that there's an obligation to look out for and observe the signs that the Lord has told us will precede the end times.
    Some of the signs as listed in the Olivet Discourse and elsewhere in Scripture could easily apply to any number of different eras. Wars and rumors of wars have been omnipresent since the dawn of human civilization, and selfishness has always been part of the fallen human nature. But these signs can nonetheless serve as good reminders that evil will not always reign supreme and that Jesus will, in fact, return.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Paprika View Post
    I'm no futurist, but I agree with SeanD: that if futurism is true, that there's an obligation to look out for and observe the signs that the Lord has told us will precede the end times.
    And I believe, if we are truly the followers of Christ, that we be faithful to the end, regardless when that end is. Sure, we observe the signs, but we don't set dates.

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  • Paprika
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    I'm no futurist, but I agree with SeanD: that if futurism is true, that there's an obligation to look out for and observe the signs that the Lord has told us will precede the end times.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
    1) he is discussing the matter and asking about the interpretation
    2) he is one of this forum's moderators.... are you that dense?
    Yes, I knew that the color blue represented moderation. And your point is what?

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  • Christianbookworm
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    Good question. In 100 years, all of us here right now will likely be dead. And if you die, it's the end of this world for you. So, why are some obsessed over the end of human history? Every one alive today will be dead in 150 years.


    Ninja'd Oh well...

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  • Teallaura
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    I know exactly when the end is coming!







































































































    When the Father says so!!!! So stop fretting about it and get ready already!

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  • KingsGambit
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    Just to be clear, I'm not saying anything is against the site's rules. I'm just asking what the point is.

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  • Catholicity
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    Originally posted by seanD View Post
    "Pinpoint" suggests a specific date. Nonetheless, as Darfius stated, we're following the Lord's instructions. You're not repudiating us, you're actually repudiating the Lord's words. So if you can deal with that, have at it. I'm going to continue obeying his command. Also, the eschatology thread is here specifically to discuss the matter. If it bothers you, then take it up with the admins of the forum
    1) he is discussing the matter and asking about the interpretation
    2) he is one of this forum's moderators.... are you that dense?

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