Generation Y and Z Confirms Futurism is true

[tabibito]

2 Thess 2:1-3 We beg you brothers not to be shaken ... by letter, as though from us, to the effect that the day of the Lord is already here ... for that day will not come unless the apostasy comes first ...

So - it would seem that Luke 18:8 doesn't stand alone, and then there is an ambiguous further reference:

4 I must work the works of him that sent me, while it is day: the night cometh, when no man can work.

But none of these declare a failure arising from persecution. The circumstances could even arise from syncretism.

[Darfius]

OK I am putting you back on virtual ignore until I need some more entertainment. Yawn.

And another one bites the dust.

[Sparko]

You forgot to answer why Jesus implied faith would be sorely lacking when He returned, in contrast to the preterist fantasy that Christianity will "convert the world."

What "all things" did John the Baptist "restore?" Simple verse, eh? John the Baptist was the Elijah for Jesus' first coming. There will be an Elijah who will precede His 2nd coming, who will "turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."

OK I am putting you back on virtual ignore until I need some more entertainment. Yawn.

[Darfius]

What are you even talking about? Jesus was interpreting Malachi and speaking in the same tense as the verse.

(10) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" (11) Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. (12) But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." (13) Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

You are a paranoid moron Darfius and can't read a simple verse without trying to turn it into some conspiracy theory. The only woefully ignorant one here is you.

You forgot to answer why Jesus implied faith would be sorely lacking when He returned, in contrast to the preterist fantasy that Christianity will "convert the world."

What "all things" did John the Baptist "restore?" Simple verse, eh? John the Baptist was the Elijah for Jesus' first coming. There will be an Elijah who will precede His 2nd coming, who will "turn the hearts of the fathers to their children and the hearts of the children to their fathers, lest I come and strike the earth with a curse."

[Sparko]

Hyperbolic to what point? Why suggest that faith may not be present when He returns unless He meant to indicate such a fierce persecution of the saints that faith would all but disappear from the earth, as Daniel and Revelation suggests (it was given power to the beast to make war with the saints and overcome them)?

John the Baptist was one fulfillment of Elijah, but Jesus spoke in the future tense when He said the next Elijah would restore all things. John the Baptist had already died. You and most other so called Christians are woefully ignorant as to the fact that Satan is the god of this world and his kingdom must be overthrown--from within and without--before the thief (Christ) can rob him (the devil) of his goods (us and the earth). In other words, we will have to prove our faith with deeds, something most so called Christians are terrified of doing, hence the so called.

What are you even talking about? Jesus was interpreting Malachi and speaking in the same tense as the verse.

(10) And His disciples asked Him, saying, "Why then do the scribes say that Elijah must come first?" (11) Jesus answered and said to them, "Indeed, Elijah is coming first and will restore all things. (12) But I say to you that Elijah has come already, and they did not know him but did to him whatever they wished. Likewise the Son of Man is also about to suffer at their hands." (13) Then the disciples understood that He spoke to them of John the Baptist.

You are a paranoid moron Darfius and can't read a simple verse without trying to turn it into some conspiracy theory. The only woefully ignorant one here is you.

[Darfius]

It was obviously a hyperbolic statement Darfy.

And the 'prepare a way in the desert' was referring to Jesus' first coming and the Elijah was John the Baptist.

We don't know when Christ will return. It could be at any time. That is why he said, "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come"

Hyperbolic to what point? Why suggest that faith may not be present when He returns unless He meant to indicate such a fierce persecution of the saints that faith would all but disappear from the earth, as Daniel and Revelation suggests (it was given power to the beast to make war with the saints and overcome them)?

John the Baptist was one fulfillment of Elijah, but Jesus spoke in the future tense when He said the next Elijah would restore all things. John the Baptist had already died. You and most other so called Christians are woefully ignorant as to the fact that Satan is the god of this world and his kingdom must be overthrown--from within and without--before the thief (Christ) can rob him (the devil) of his goods (us and the earth). In other words, we will have to prove our faith with deeds, something most so called Christians are terrified of doing, hence the so called.

The reason Christ spoke ambiguously or parabolically about the timing of His return is the same reason God speaks parabolically all throughout Scripture, to hide the fullness of the truth from sleepy eyed "disciples" who don't really care to seek it with all their minds, hearts and souls while revealing it to those who do. We are always to keep watch, but "when these things begin to take place, look up, for your redemption draws near."

[Cow Poke]

I am of the opinion that I will either meet Jesus when he comes back here, or I will go meet him when I die and come down with him when he returns. Either way is fine with me. And either way I will be with him soon.

Yes, it will all "pan out" in the end! The key is - STAY READY!

[Sparko]

And that's exactly why I am a panmillenialist.

I am of the opinion that I will either meet Jesus when he comes back here, or I will go meet him when I die and come down with him when he returns. Either way is fine with me. And either way I will be with him soon.

[Cow Poke]

It was obviously a hyperbolic statement Darfy.

And the 'prepare a way in the desert' was referring to Jesus' first coming and the Elijah was John the Baptist.

We don't know when Christ will return. It could be at any time. That is why he said, "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come"

And that's exactly why I am a panmillenialist.

[Sparko]

So you're of the opinion that the Lord asks dumb rhetorical questions. Sounds about right for you. Obviously He meant that the elect will be few when the days are shortened for them.

It was obviously a hyperbolic statement Darfy.

And the 'prepare a way in the desert' was referring to Jesus' first coming and the Elijah was John the Baptist.

We don't know when Christ will return. It could be at any time. That is why he said, "Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come"

[Darfius]

From Matthew 16:18, I think the answer is "yes"

So you're of the opinion that the Lord asks dumb rhetorical questions. Sounds about right for you. Obviously He meant that the elect will be few when the days are shortened for them.

[Darfius]

That was before the Mandela Effect. Now Christ will return when no one expects him.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father... Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left... Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come" (Matthew 24:36, 40, 42).

Day or hour is not "week" or year. No one knows the exact day of the harvest, but you know the season.

[Sparko]

Luke 18:8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"

From Matthew 16:18, I think the answer is "yes"

[Sparko]

Christ cannot return until a "way is prepared for" Him in the desert. Elijah must restore all things first, as the Lord says Himself. Wishful thinking has no place in a Christian.

That was before the Mandela Effect. Now Christ will return when no one expects him.

"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father... Two men will be in the field; one will be taken and the other left. Two women will be grinding with the hand mill; one will be taken and the other left... Therefore keep watch, because you do not know on what day your Lord will come" (Matthew 24:36, 40, 42).

[Darfius]

The idea that Christianity on earth would be extinguished is refuted by Matthew 16:18, when Jesus said "On this rock I will build my church, and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it."

Luke 18:8 I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"