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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.

However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.

End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.

Millennialism- post-, pre- a-

Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.

From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.

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  • #16
    The Pharisees drank water, ate food, and wore clothes. Should we stop wearing clothes or stop eating and drinking?
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dave L View Post

      The Millennium is a Pharisee Doctrine.

      First, MILLENNIUM: http://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/10840-millennium

      By: Joseph Jacobs, A. Biram
      Table of Contents
      Messianic Period an Interregnum.
      The reign of peace, lasting one thousand years, which will precede the Last Judgment and the future life. The concept has assumed especial importance in the Christian Church, where it is termed also “chiliasm,” designating the dominion of Jesus with the glorified and risen saints over the world for a thousand years. Chiliasm or the idea of the millennium is, nevertheless, older than the Christian Church; for the belief in a period of one thousand years at the end of time as a preliminary to the resurrection of the dead was held in Parseeism. This concept is expressed in Jewish literature in Enoch, xiii., xci. 12-17; in the apocalypse of the ten weeks, in Apoc. Baruch, xl. 3 (“And his dominion shall last forever, until the world doomed to destruction shall perish”); and in II Esdras vii. 28-29. Neither here nor in later Jewish literature is the duration of this Messianic reign fixed. It is clear, however, that the rule of the Messiah was considered as an interregnum, from the fact that in many passages, such as Pes. 68a, Ber. 34b, Sanh. 91b and 99a, Shab. 63a, 113b, and 141b, a distinction is made between and , although it must be noted that some regarded the Messianic rule as the period of the fulfilment of the prophecies, while others saw in it the time of the subjugation of the nations.
      But in time, the church condemned Premillennialism as heresy. First, According to the Nicene Creed


      ………………. and He shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; Whose kingdom shall have no end.
      Sproul, R. C. (Ed.). (2015). The Reformation Study Bible: English Standard Version (2015 Edition) (p. 2389). Orlando, FL: Reformation Trust.
      Also condemned as heresy by the Council of Ephesus in 431 in two ways.

      “In addition to its condemnation of Nestorianism, the council also condemned
      Pelagianism, [2] and rejected premillennialism (Justin Martyr, Irenaeus, Papias,
      Tertullian, Origen, Lactantius) in favor of Amillennialism (Clement of
      Alexandria, Chrysostom, Jerome and Augustine of Hippo): "Augustine's
      explanation became Church doctrine when it was adopted as the definitive
      explanation of the millennium by the Council of Ephesus in 431."[35]

      Secondly, “Canon 7 condemned any departure from the creed established by the First Council of Nicaea (325)” This affirmed Jesus “shall come again, with glory, to judge both the living and the dead; whose kingdom shall have no end.” Thereby denouncing premillennialism and the doctrines leading up to and including Dispensationalism of the 1800s.

      Retrieved from https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php...ldid=921743450

      That says "Parseeism" not Phariseeism. -

      And you are quoting someone writing in a Jewish web site who is quoting the Catholic church condemning Premillennailism as a heresy. Not sure how much worse of a source you could find. You have already condemned the Jews and the Catholics as unsaved and yet you use their sources to prove that something is a heresy?



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      • #18
        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

        The Pharisees created Premillennialism. Jesus refuted it as false doctrine in the gospels. You must reject the gospel of the Kingdom to accept it.
        Jesus blasted the Pharisees pretty much across the board because they acted like they pretty well knew everything, and wanted everybody to do things the way they taught.

        Kinda like you do when you show up here, Dave. On just about every topic, your way is the only way, and everybody else is wrong. And your way always tends to be on the legalistic and/or judgmental side. Like the Pharisees.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          Remember Skip Wilson's ...
          I think you Skipped the Flip.

          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

          Beige Federalist.

          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

          Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

          Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

          Justice for Matthew Perna!

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          • #20
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

            I think you Skipped the Flip.
            Laughing -- I sure enough did!!!
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
              The Pharisees drank water, ate food, and wore clothes. Should we stop wearing clothes or stop eating and drinking?
              Please don't give him any ideas, just in case.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #22
                Survival instinct should prevent that? Looks uneasily at eating disorders...
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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