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The Third Temple and Unforgivable Sin.

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  • The Third Temple and Unforgivable Sin.


    In the New Testament, Jesus and the Church is the Temple made without hands.
    But many think a physical third temple will exist in Jerusalem. But this is impossible in the biblical sense. If you consider Ezekiel’s Temple (the Third Temple) measurements are not complete. They are missing the height on everything except the two front columns. People would need to add the missing to God’s word to build it.

    Plus it calls for a return to animal sacrifice for sin. Hebrews 6 forbids any return to the Law, including animal sacrifices, calling it an unforgivable sin.

    The supernatural in Ezekiel’s Temple runs against the laws of physics making them impossible. But they depict Christ’s miraculous life in the gospels. His prophecy also depicts the Church as God’s Temple in the New Testament.

    So even if they were to build a temple, it would be a sin to add to God’s word to build it. And it would not be possible to violate the laws of nature as the vision calls for. Are those who plan to return to animal sacrifice saved? It is an unforgivable sin in Hebrews six.

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    I would disagree that it's an unforgiveable sin.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      I would disagree that it's an unforgiveable sin.
      Yeah considering they are already outside of God's salvation and under the penalty of their own sin already just by not accepting Jesus as savior. It doesn't matter if they build a temple or not.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

        Yeah considering they are already outside of God's salvation and under the penalty of their own sin already just by not accepting Jesus as savior. It doesn't matter if they build a temple or not.
        But Dispensationalists plan to return to animal sacrifice in their millennial theory. Hebrews 6 says this sin cannot be repented of.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Dave L View Post
          But Dispensationalists plan to return to animal sacrifice in their millennial theory.
          That's a mighty broad brush ya got there, Dave.

          Hebrews 6 says this sin cannot be repented of.
          No, it really doesn't.

          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dave L View Post

            But Dispensationalists plan to return to animal sacrifice in their millennial theory. Hebrews 6 says this sin cannot be repented of.
            Um, no they don't. Where do you get that idea?

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              Um, no they don't. Where do you get that idea?
              It's part of Dispensationalism and Premillennialism. Search for Rebuilt Temple.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                Um, no they don't. Where do you get that idea?
                It actually comes from Ezekiel 43:18-46, And Ezekiel 40. Along with Isaiah 56:6-8, Zechariah 14:16 and Jeremiah 33:15-18.

                In Ezekiel 44 we see the LORD giving instructions about the sacrifices, and it won't be the Levites. Then chapters 45 and 46 give more detail.

                The big difference is that these sacrifices are not about forgiveness of sin (and OT sacrifices weren't either, as they had to be done over and over and over), so most premillennial scholars of which I am aware see these sacrifices as memorial in nature.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                  It's part of Dispensationalism and Premillennialism. Search for Rebuilt Temple.
                  You're painting with WAY too broad a brush, Dave - and you really don't know your material. I suspect you just "read it somewhere".
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                    It's part of Dispensationalism and Premillennialism. Search for Rebuilt Temple.
                    They think that the JEWS will rebuild the temple as a sign of the end times. You said the dispensationalists would return to animal sacrifices. That is false.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                      But Dispensationalists plan to return to animal sacrifice in their millennial theory. Hebrews 6 says this sin cannot be repented of.
                      Let's see you actually exegete this, instead of just referring to a whole chapter, please.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        They think that the JEWS will rebuild the temple as a sign of the end times. You said the dispensationalists would return to animal sacrifices. That is false.
                        Haggi is really big on this. Fallwell also taught two methods of salvation including temple sacrifice. Google it and become enlightened.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                          Haggi is really big on this. Fallwell also taught two methods of salvation including temple sacrifice. Google it and become enlightened.
                          How bout breaking it down by exegeting Hebrews 6. Can you do that?

                          (and, perhaps you mean Hagee?)
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                            ...Plus it calls for a return to animal sacrifice for sin. Hebrews 6 forbids any return to the Law, including animal sacrifices, calling it an unforgivable sin.
                            Let's make it really simple, Dave.

                            A) Where, in Hebrews 6, does it "forbid any return to the Law, including animal sacrifices".
                            2) and Where does Hebrews 6 call that, specifically, an unforgiveable sin?
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                              But Dispensationalists plan to return to animal sacrifice in their millennial theory. Hebrews 6 says this sin cannot be repented of.
                              No we don't.
                              That's what
                              - She

                              Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                              - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                              I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                              Stephen R. Donaldson

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