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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.

However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.

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Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.

From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Darfius View Post

    You called me Darius, so I couldn't be sure you were referring to me. In addition to the Revelation verse you cited, there is also:

    Scripture Verse: Galatians 1

    6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

    10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

    11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

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    The gospel, which we possess in Scripture, was "not of human origin", but "received by revelation from Jesus Christ" and if it be subverted at all, such a one is under God's curse. If the Scriptures were not vouchsafed to us by God, then they were of human origin, contrary to Paul's claim here. You are to blame for not having already arrived at this simple inference yourself already. It's the same reason you're unaware of the times you live in. Disobedience, presumption and thinking you are rich when you are really poor, blind and naked.

    You say that John "could not" have been referring to all of Scripture when he pronounced the curse on those who would add or take away from it, but this is human and therefore faulty reasoning. John wrote under inspiration of the Spirit and what he wrote was not "of human origin".

    Speak my name correctly when you address me and do not presume to either add or take away from God's word, lest you fall under a curse.
    He's referring to those who have a different message, one that contradicts the one he is teaching: "But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse"

    That's not the same thing as you were saying since the corpus didn't exist. Moreover, in Paul's case he doesn't say anything about adding to his message. If someone could provide more detail about something I seriously doubt that he would have objected. Just as long as it didn't alter that message.



    You are doing exactly what you accuse others of doing.

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  • Darfius
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Starting to look like Darfius isn't going to answer that.
    You called me Darius, so I couldn't be sure you were referring to me. In addition to the Revelation verse you cited, there is also:

    Scripture Verse: Galatians 1

    6 I am astonished that you are so quickly deserting the one who called you to live in the grace of Christ and are turning to a different gospel— 7 which is really no gospel at all. Evidently some people are throwing you into confusion and are trying to pervert the gospel of Christ. 8 But even if we or an angel from heaven should preach a gospel other than the one we preached to you, let them be under God’s curse! 9 As we have already said, so now I say again: If anybody is preaching to you a gospel other than what you accepted, let them be under God’s curse!

    10 Am I now trying to win the approval of human beings, or of God? Or am I trying to please people? If I were still trying to please people, I would not be a servant of Christ.

    11 I want you to know, brothers and sisters, that the gospel I preached is not of human origin. 12 I did not receive it from any man, nor was I taught it; rather, I received it by revelation from Jesus Christ.

    © Copyright Original Source



    The gospel, which we possess in Scripture, was "not of human origin", but "received by revelation from Jesus Christ" and if it be subverted at all, such a one is under God's curse. If the Scriptures were not vouchsafed to us by God, then they were of human origin, contrary to Paul's claim here. You are to blame for not having already arrived at this simple inference yourself. It's the same reason you're unaware of the times you live in. Disobedience, presumption and thinking you are rich when you are really poor, blind and naked.

    You say that John "could not" have been referring to all of Scripture when he pronounced the curse on those who would add or take away from it, but this is human and therefore faulty reasoning. John wrote under inspiration of the Spirit and what he wrote was not "of human origin".

    Speak my name correctly when you address me and do not presume to either add or take away from God's word, lest you fall under a curse.
    Last edited by Darfius; 10-19-2021, 12:50 PM.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Where do you find that? The closest that I recall is at the end of Revelation where we are told that those who adds (or takes away) from anything in Revelation will be cursed

    Scripture Verse: Revelation 22:18-19

    I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

    © Copyright Original Source

    Starting to look like Darfius isn't going to answer that.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Far be it from me that I should ever use the word "dogma."














    Rats! I just used it!
    But you weren't dogmatic about it.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

    IIRC, what you actually said was that the closed canon dogma can't be explicitly found *in* the canon (Scripture) itself.
    Far be it from me that I should ever use the word "dogma."














    Rats! I just used it!

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  • NorrinRadd
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Well - I did tell him that the canon is not closed. He might have decided that was an excuse for the accusation.
    IIRC, what you actually said was that the closed canon dogma can't be explicitly found *in* the canon (Scripture) itself.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post

    Well - I did tell him that the canon is not closed. He might have decided that was an excuse for the accusation.
    Ah, THAT!!! OK, so maybe I can still go to Heaven, but you're toast?

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    Absolutely false. NOBODY is debating any such thing.



    And now the little Doofius thinks he's Jesus.
    Well - I did tell him that the canon is not closed. He might have decided that was an excuse for the accusation.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Darfius View Post
    We got "Christians" debating on whether or not we have the right to add to Scripture and then lecturing me about how I shouldn't cause division with other "Christians".
    Absolutely false. NOBODY is debating any such thing.

    Let me know if you want me to stop cluttering your thread, sean, but God bless you for trying to warn these whitewashed tombs.
    And now the little Doofius thinks he's Jesus.

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  • seanD
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    Wow. Do you ever listen to yourself? The little wink emoji at the end does nothing to take away from you sounding like a complete jerk.
    Kinda of like punching someone in the face and saying "just kidding!"
    I thought me and CP had a moment of reconciliation after that, yet you come in and seem to want to stir stuff again.


    Originally posted by Sparko View Post

    Darfius is a great example of why we shouldn't be overly concerned with looking for signs of the end-times and just live our lives as good Christians, doing what Jesus told us we should be doing all along.
    We futurists are doing what Jesus instructed us to do. That's what this whole thread is about.

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Darfius View Post
    We got "Christians" debating on whether or not we have the right to add to Scripture and then lecturing me about how I shouldn't cause division with other "Christians". .
    And a self-righteous pot calling the kettle black.

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  • Darfius
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    We got "Christians" debating on whether or not we have the right to add to Scripture and then lecturing me about how I shouldn't cause division with other "Christians".

    Let me know if you want me to stop cluttering your thread, sean, but God bless you for trying to warn these whitewashed tombs.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    That's immediately what came to mind as a misuse of Scripture, but then the Romans 16:17-18 passage came to mind which actually addresses what he was doing.

    I haven't dealt with him much at all - is he just an angry individual?
    Well he certainly isn't using "smooth talk and flattery"

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post

    He does seem to get angry rather easily. I have found that when he's not angry or I can look past the anger, he does have some good things to say.
    I just have very little tolerance for anybody who declares another Christian "a pretend Christian" --- It is arrogant, judgmental, and almost always uncalled for.

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  • Thoughtful Monk
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

    That's immediately what came to mind as a misuse of Scripture, but then the Romans 16:17-18 passage came to mind which actually addresses what he was doing.

    I haven't dealt with him much at all - is he just an angry individual?
    He does seem to get angry rather easily. I have found that when he's not angry or I can look past the anger, he does have some good things to say.

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