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  • #46
    Originally posted by seanD View Post

    The thread is specifically about why looking for signs of the last days is scriptural, not a debate on whether or not we are in the last days.
    I apologise for thinking that the specific signs that are relevant to Christ's return might also have been relevant to the discussion - which is also why post #33 drew on Mark 13:33-37 among others.
    Last edited by tabibito; 10-18-2021, 01:40 AM.
    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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    • #47
      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      I apologise for thinking that the specific signs that are relevant to Christ's return might also have been relevant to the discussion - which is also why post #33 drew on Mark 13:33-37 among others.
      It's fine if you want to discuss it with others here (although TM has a thread that asks that direct question). I just pointed that out because you addressed that post to me. I'm not really interested in that debate. I believe we're in the last days, and you apparently don't, so there's nothing that you or I will say to convince each other our arguments are correct. My point is that Mark 13:33-37, among other passages, proves that looking for signs of the last days is scriptural.
      "What am I doing here?" -- Joe Biden 2021

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      • #48
        Originally posted by seanD View Post

        You do it all the time in civics.

        You just needed an excuse to crawl out with your tail tucked because you realize you're wrong.
        Wow. Do you ever listen to yourself? The little wink emoji at the end does nothing to take away from you sounding like a complete jerk.
        Kinda of like punching someone in the face and saying "just kidding!"

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        • #49
          When I was a kid my mom fell in with the Jehovah's witnesses. This was during the early to mid 70s. During one of their many, many, many false end times predictions. They constantly predicted the exact year Jesus would return, over and over. And their followers would sell houses and "prepare for the Lord's return" and end up broke and disappointed. Luckily we didn't do that. But I have seen what happens when people keep looking for signs and trying to use esoteric verses to predict when Jesus will come back. No thanks. I know he will come back some day. And I am always prepared. And I know we need to spread the gospel. But no matter when he comes back, we who belong to him will be saved. And if I die before that day, I will meet him even sooner. That's good enough for me.


          JWs 1974 "Yes, the end of this system is so very near! Is that not reason to increase our activity?...Reports are heard of brothers selling their homes and property and planning to finish out the rest of their days in this old system in the pioneer service. Certainly this is a fine way to spend the short time remaining before the wicked world's end." (Kingdom Ministry, May 1974, p. 3)


          Last edited by Sparko; 10-18-2021, 08:15 AM.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Darfius View Post

            Scripture Verse: Matthew 10

            34 Do not assume that I have come to bring peace to the earth; I have not come to bring peace, but a sword. 35 For I have come to turn

            ‘a man against his father,

            a daughter against her mother,

            a daughter-in-law against her mother-in-law.

            36 A man’s enemies will be the members

            of his own household.’

            © Copyright Original Source



            The Bible makes it clear many times over that "the way of the Lord" must be prepared. The notion that He will show up randomly with nowhere to "lay His head" because His people are living in rampant disobedience and "fix all the evil" is a pipe dream born of that disobedience.
            Your citation does not support the notion that Christians ought to fight with other Christians which was what was speaking against.

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • #51
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Your citation does not support the notion that Christians ought to fight with other Christians which was what was speaking against.
              Darfius is a great example of why we shouldn't be overly concerned with looking for signs of the end-times and just live our lives as good Christians, doing what Jesus told us we should be doing all along.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Darfius View Post

                People who add to Scripture are cursed in Scripture and it so happens that it says neither of the things you said here.
                Where do you find that? The closest that I recall is at the end of Revelation where we are told that those who adds (or takes away) from anything in Revelation will be cursed

                Scripture Verse: Revelation 22:18-19

                I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

                © Copyright Original Source



                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                  Where do you find that?
                  Maybe he added it to Scripture.
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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Your citation does not support the notion that Christians ought to fight with other Christians which was what was speaking against.
                    Yeah, so much of the New Testament is dedicated to topics like "one body, one Lord, one Baptism", unity, being "together in one accord"... It all goes back to the precept - In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity

                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      Yeah, so much of the New Testament is dedicated to topics like "one body, one Lord, one Baptism", unity, being "together in one accord"... It all goes back to the precept - In Essentials Unity, In Non-Essentials Liberty, In All Things Charity
                      What an interesting quote. I'll have to remember it and start using it.

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Where do you find that? The closest that I recall is at the end of Revelation where we are told that those who adds (or takes away) from anything in Revelation will be cursed

                        Scripture Verse: Revelation 22:18-19

                        I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

                        © Copyright Original Source

                        That's immediately what came to mind as a misuse of Scripture, but then the Romans 16:17-18 passage came to mind which actually addresses what he was doing.

                        I haven't dealt with him much at all - is he just an angry individual?
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                          That's immediately what came to mind as a misuse of Scripture, but then the Romans 16:17-18 passage came to mind which actually addresses what he was doing.

                          I haven't dealt with him much at all - is he just an angry individual?
                          IMHO he appears angry that folks don't acknowledge his genius in interpreting Scripture.

                          Could be wrong...

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            IMHO he appears angry that folks don't acknowledge his genius in interpreting Scripture.

                            Could be wrong...
                            Persons who believe they have "special knowledge" don't have much patience for those of us who are actually capable of saying "I don't know" when appropriate.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              Persons who believe they have "special knowledge" don't have much patience for those of us who are actually capable of saying "I don't know" when appropriate.
                              One of the simplest and most valuable phrases in the English language, but people avoid using it like the plague.

                              I'm always still in trouble again

                              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Where do you find that? The closest that I recall is at the end of Revelation where we are told that those who adds (or takes away) from anything in Revelation will be cursed

                                Scripture Verse: Revelation 22:18-19

                                I testify to everyone who hears the words of prophecy in this book: If anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book. And if anyone takes away from the words of this book of prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and the holy city, which are described in this book.

                                © Copyright Original Source

                                My knowledge of Koine Greek doesn't extend far enough to allow certitude - but yours seems a reasonable reading. What is not reasonable is pretending that "this book" extends to all the 66 (or so) books of the Bible, or to any more than one book. The doubt arises because I can't tell whether "this book" refers to the book or revelation, or whether "this book" already exists when the words are spoken (the book of Revelation had not yet been written.)
                                Last edited by tabibito; 10-18-2021, 10:42 AM.
                                1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω

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