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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Without turning this forum into a 'hill of foreskins' (Joshua 5:3), I believe we can still have fun with this 'sensitive' topic.
However, don't be misled, dispensationalism has only partly to do with circumcision issues. So, let's not forget about Innocence, Conscience, Promises, Kingdoms and so on.
End time -isms within orthodox Christianity also discussed here. Clearly unorthodox doctrines, such as those advocating "pantelism/full preterism/Neo-Hymenaeanism" or the denial of any essential of the historic Christian faith are not permitted in this section but can be discussed in Comparative Religions 101 without restriction. Any such threads, as well as any that within the moderator's discretions fall outside mainstream evangelical belief, will be moved to the appropriate area.
Millennialism- post-, pre- a-
Futurism, Historicism, Idealism, and Preterism, or just your garden variety Zionism.
From the tribulation to the anichrist. Whether your tastes run from Gary DeMar to Tim LaHaye or anywhere in between, your input is welcome here.
OK folks, let's roll!
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
I don't think think there's a Christian in the world right now, regardless of what eschatological view they hold, who won't admit that there is something highly unusual happening in the world right now that they can't explain.
With that said, personally, I believe we're definitely in the last days, but I've believed that for some time, before any of this stuff started happening. What convinced me is our communication technology, which was never before possible to any previous generation.
And certainly our communication technology explains how Revelation 11:9 is possible. I'm sure that verse was a lot more puzzling 100 or more years ago."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Agreed with you that even if Christ isn't about to return, we are in different times than say 50 years ago.
And certainly our communication technology explains how Revelation 11:9 is possible. I'm sure that verse was a lot more puzzling 100 or more years ago.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI don't think think there's a Christian in the world right now, regardless of what eschatological view they hold, who won't admit that there is something highly unusual happening in the world right now that they can't explain.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
Agreed with you that even if Christ isn't about to return, we are in different times than say 50 years ago.
And certainly our communication technology explains how Revelation 11:9 is possible. I'm sure that verse was a lot more puzzling 100 or more years ago."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
I wonder if Christians in the 1920's thought they were in the last days after the Great War and then Short Wave Radio was invented?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
I wonder if Christians in the 1920's thought they were in the last days after the Great War and then Short Wave Radio was invented?
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
A person in Russia can access the same information (even reatime events) that a person in the US can access, at the exact same time and in the exact same way. They don't even need a special broadcasting network to do it. Anyone with a cellphone and an internet connection can broadcast it. Even the invention of the television doesn't compare to the internet today in regards to access of realtime information to anyone around the world at any time.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThat's what I believe futurists should focus on to prove their case, not the events themselves, because the events he describes (Matthew 24:6-8) have always happened throughout the history of mankind -- were happening during Jesus' ministry, before his ministry, and after his ministry.
By the way, does this make Mark Zuckerberg an "anti-Christ"? (No, not The Anti-Christ but a type.)"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by seanD View Post
A person in Russia can access the same information (even reatime events) that a person in the US can access, at the exact same time and in the exact same way. They don't even need a special broadcasting network to do it. Anyone with a cellphone and an internet connection can broadcast it. Even the invention of the television doesn't compare to the internet today in regards to access of realtime information to anyone around the world at any time."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostI wonder if Christians in the 1920's thought they were in the last days after the Great War and then Short Wave Radio was invented?"For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
"Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom
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Several "Christians" quoting unbelievers in Scripture and being unaware of it might be comical if it weren't an incredibly sad commentary on the state of "the church" in these last days:
"following their own evil desires"...."deliberately forget"...these are willful disobedience and therefore blindness to the times, which is why I continually seem "mean" when I am trying to correct in love. You can't discern the times because you don't want to. You're fat and happy and would rather eat and drink, for tomorrow we die.
It does not follow logically that because other generations thought they were in the last days that therefore we are not now in the last days. It doesn't even suggest it. All that matters is whether the signs exist or not and they do, primarily the reformation of Israel, which was the blooming of the fig tree "other generations" did not possess.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
But not in China with their Great Firewall and complicit technology that censor the information shown on the Chinese internet.
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During WW2 Hitler was believed to be the Antichrist and he actually fit pretty well: Trying to take over the world, persecuting and killing the Jews, putting himself in place of God, fooled many people and was highly popular, etc.
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