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  • Zymologist
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    Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    Thanks. This seems to largely reinforce the blog post in the OP. Am I missing something?

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  • Zymologist
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    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
    You mean riposte?
    I was wondering if you'd post in this thread. Have any comment on the accuracy of the OP? I'm checking out Thoughtful Monk's link now.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    Thank you. Same question except this time, children and others who are like them, please? Where do they go after death?
    To their eternal destiny.

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  • Truthseeker
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    If you mean mentally handicapped, then I think they are treated like children in God's eyes and are not accountable.
    Thank you. Same question except this time, children and others who are like them, please? Where do they go after death?

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  • rogue06
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    My wife and I ate dinner at the Catholic Fish Fry - held every Friday during Lent. They were quite skimpy on the fish, the french fries were greasy, limp and not even warm, and the desserts appeared to be small slices of store-bought cakes and pies. Therefore, their doctrine is corrupt.


    And whenever the fried chicken at a Baptist pot luck is greasy and especially when everyone else brings coleslaw or potato salad then our doctrine stands on shaky ground.

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  • Cow Poke
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    My wife and I ate dinner at the Catholic Fish Fry - held every Friday during Lent. They were quite skimpy on the fish, the french fries were greasy, limp and not even warm, and the desserts appeared to be small slices of store-bought cakes and pies. Therefore, their doctrine is corrupt.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    I suppose I'm curious, then, what the RCC position is on salvation outside of the Catholic church. I've heard some conflicting views.
    I haven't ever met many Catholics who "know" they are saved -- it's always "the blessed hope of salvation", depending, apparently, on a number of issues.

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  • Spartacus
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I'd bet my hat that it was nothing more than invectives and partial bible verses that are ripped from their context.
    You mean riposte?

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  • Zymologist
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    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
    I'd bet my hat that it was nothing more than invectives and partial bible verses that are ripped from their context.
    There was a great deal of invective, yes. I honestly didn't pay that much attention to it.

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  • Bill the Cat
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    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post

    I saw a Catholic (not on tweb) speak quite strongly about how blasphemous Protestantism was.
    I'd bet my hat that it was nothing more than invectives and partial bible verses that are ripped from their context.

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  • Sparko
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    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    What does the Bible say about ignoramuses? Where do they go after death? Not Heaven, I guess, but Hell seems unfair.
    If you just mean those who have not heard then:

    Romans 1:18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.

    21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

    and:
    Romans 2:12 All who sin apart from the law will also perish apart from the law, and all who sin under the law will be judged by the law. 13 For it is not those who hear the law who are righteous in God’s sight, but it is those who obey the law who will be declared righteous. 14 (Indeed, when Gentiles, who do not have the law, do by nature things required by the law, they are a law for themselves, even though they do not have the law. 15 They show that the requirements of the law are written on their hearts, their consciences also bearing witness, and their thoughts sometimes accusing them and at other times even defending them.) 16 This will take place on the day when God judges people’s secrets through Jesus Christ, as my gospel declares.

    --
    If you mean mentally handicapped, then I think they are treated like children in God's eyes and are not accountable.

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  • Thoughtful Monk
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    Originally posted by Zymologist View Post
    Does anyone have any info on official RCC doctrine on this point?

    I saw a Catholic (not on tweb) speak quite strongly about how blasphemous Protestantism was. I want to know what the official RCC statement about Protestantism and salvation is.
    Try here: http://www.catholic.com/blog/tim-sta...atholic-church

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  • Truthseeker
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    What does the Bible say about ignoramuses? Where do they go after death? Not Heaven, I guess, but Hell seems unfair.

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  • mikewhitney
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    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    I googled google googling google and broke the internet.
    that explains the tweb 500 errors

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  • Sparko
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    I googled google googling google and broke the internet.

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