What the title says. I need something to do in order not to squander my free time away and I thought learning about Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy would be as good an endeavor as any. So if anyone has any good primers (before I go on to more indepth stuff) on either that they could recommend I'd be grateful. Both books (preferably kindle versions) and internet articles are fine by me.
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The Orthodox Church by Bishop Kallistos (Timothy) Ware (excerpts available here) is a good place to start; it's easily the most popular introduction.
Eastern Orthodox Christianity: A Western Perspective by Daniel B. Clendenin
Introducing the Orthodox Church by Fr. Anthony Coniaris was the book used in my catechism class, and is good.
Introducing Orthodox Theology by Andrew Louth is good, though I wouldn't start with this one.
You might want to check out what the Finnish Orthodox Church has to say.
From the Roman Catholic side, Scott Hahn seems to be a popular author. I haven't read any of his stuff, however.Last edited by One Bad Pig; 02-24-2015, 09:28 AM.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostWhat the title says. I need something to do in order not to squander my free time away and I thought learning about Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy would be as good an endeavor as any. So if anyone has any good primers (before I go on to more indepth stuff) on either that they could recommend I'd be grateful. Both books (preferably kindle versions) and internet articles are fine by me.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe Orthodox Church by Bishop Kallistos (Timothy) Ware (excerpts available here) is a good place to start; it's easily the most popular introduction.
Eastern Orthodox Christianity: A Western Perspective by Daniel B. Clendenin
Introducing the Orthodox Church by Fr. Anthony Coniaris was the book used in my catechism class, and is good.
Introducing Orthodox Theology by Andrew Louth is good, though I wouldn't start with this one.
You might want to check out what the Finnish Orthodox Church has to say.
From the Roman Catholic side, Scott Hahn seems to be a popular author. I haven't read any of his stuff, however.I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostWhat the title says. I need something to do in order not to squander my free time away and I thought learning about Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy would be as good an endeavor as any. So if anyone has any good primers (before I go on to more indepth stuff) on either that they could recommend I'd be grateful. Both books (preferably kindle versions) and internet articles are fine by me.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe Orthodox Church by Bishop Kallistos (Timothy) Ware (excerpts available here) is a good place to start; it's easily the most popular introduction.
Eastern Orthodox Christianity: A Western Perspective by Daniel B. Clendenin
Introducing the Orthodox Church by Fr. Anthony Coniaris was the book used in my catechism class, and is good.
Introducing Orthodox Theology by Andrew Louth is good, though I wouldn't start with this one.
You might want to check out what the Finnish Orthodox Church has to say.
From the Roman Catholic side, Scott Hahn seems to be a popular author. I haven't read any of his stuff, however.
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I second this book. We read a chunk of it for a VERY brief dive into Church History back when I was in college (the prof had a fascination with Orthodoxy, despite being a dyed-in-the-wool Pentecostal), and I remember finding it to be enlightening (I just need to remember to order a copy for my own uses ).Have You Touched Grass Today? If Not, Please Do.
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostThank you for the recommendations. I went ahead and purchased all of the books you listed for my kindle. Any recommendations in which particular order I should read them, or is any order as good as any? I'm thinking of going through them in the order you listed them, but if you have a better idea I'm all ears (or maybe it's eyes in this case ).Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThe Orthodox Church by Bishop Kallistos (Timothy) Ware (excerpts available here) is a good place to start; it's easily the most popular introduction.
Eastern Orthodox Christianity: A Western Perspective by Daniel B. Clendenin
Introducing the Orthodox Church by Fr. Anthony Coniaris was the book used in my catechism class, and is good.
Introducing Orthodox Theology by Andrew Louth is good, though I wouldn't start with this one.
You might want to check out what the Finnish Orthodox Church has to say.
From the Roman Catholic side, Scott Hahn seems to be a popular author. I haven't read any of his stuff, however.
Regarding the Real Presence, how similar (or dissimilar) is the Orthodox view compared to the Lutheran view that the Body and Blood of Christ is truly present in the bread and wine, but that the bread and wine never ceases to be bread and wine, i.e the bread is both bread AND the body of Christ at the same time and the wine is both wine AND the blood of Christ at the same time? I guess what I'm asking is, can an Orthodox person hold a view of the Real Presence that is identical to that of a Lutheran and still be considered Orthodox?
This next question is one I don't expect you to be able to answer unless you've read up on the roots of the Word of Faith movement* (I.e Copeland, Hagin etc.) but regarding the doctrine of theosis/deification, what would the differences be between the early teaching** of the WoF movement (that Adam started out as a god in paradise but lost that distinction when he fell for the temptation of satan and that we are able to obtain that same sort of godhood for ourselves) and the Orthodox teaching of deification? Reading what Ware has to say about deification doesn't make me nearly as uncomfortable as I am when I read about the teaching of the founders of the WoF movement, but that could merely be because I simply haven't read up on the Orthodox teaching nearly enough (although I guess the opposite is entirely possible too, i.e that further reading about the Orthodox doctrine of theosis will make my suspicions disappear completely )
*In other words, feel free to ignore this question if you don't have the necessary knowledge to answer it, or don't feel like researching the issue to such an extent that you would feel comfortable in answering it. I fully expect to have this question answered for me in the course of reading more about Orthodoxy, I just felt like it would be convenient if I could get an answer a bit earlier.
**I say early teaching, but I'm not sure if they've ever rescinded this doctrine.Last edited by JonathanL; 02-26-2015, 10:55 PM.
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Books by Joseph Ratzinger, say, Introduction to Christianity, tend to come highly recommended, though I can't say I've read it myself. Otherwise, I could recommend G.K. Chesterton and even C.S. Lewis (high-church anglicans like Lewis can give you a sense of both Catholicism and Orthodoxy given that there was a time when there were anglicans who cared about some sort of communion with Rome and Byzantium).
In other news, I find the concept of theosis fascinating and look forward to seeing more discussion about it in this thread. I have my own answer to the question, but I'll leave it to the EOs to explain.
The defense of Catholicism is a bit of a cottage industry these days-- there are lots of blogs and books about Catholicism from various perspectives and with various agendas. I could recommend a few of those that I've read over the years... or I could point you to Fr. Robert Barron, who has a website (wordonfire.org) and a number of youtube videos on various topics in which he elucidates Catholic perspectives on any number of things-- he's also produced a documentary series on Catholicism which you could check out. Or you could go back further to Bishop Fulton Sheen, who had a major television program back in the day: you can find a lot of old episodes of his show on youtube.
Catholics are so hip and media-savvy compared to those old-fashioned OrthodoxDon't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostBooks by Joseph Ratzinger, say, Introduction to Christianity, tend to come highly recommended, though I can't say I've read it myself. Otherwise, I could recommend G.K. Chesterton and even C.S. Lewis (high-church anglicans like Lewis can give you a sense of both Catholicism and Orthodoxy given that there was a time when there were anglicans who cared about some sort of communion with Rome and Byzantium).
In other news, I find the concept of theosis fascinating and look forward to seeing more discussion about it in this thread. I have my own answer to the question, but I'll leave it to the EOs to explain.
The defense of Catholicism is a bit of a cottage industry these days-- there are lots of blogs and books about Catholicism from various perspectives and with various agendas. I could recommend a few of those that I've read over the years... or I could point you to Fr. Robert Barron, who has a website (wordonfire.org) and a number of youtube videos on various topics in which he elucidates Catholic perspectives on any number of things-- he's also produced a documentary series on Catholicism which you could check out. Or you could go back further to Bishop Fulton Sheen, who had a major television program back in the day: you can find a lot of old episodes of his show on youtube.
Catholics are so hip and media-savvy compared to those old-fashioned Orthodox
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostCatholics are so hip and media-savvy compared to those old-fashioned Orthodox
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostSo, I just finished The Orthodox Church by Ware. It was an interesting read to say the least. I have some minor questions that I would be grateful if you, (or any other Orthodox member) of the forum could answer.
Regarding the Real Presence, how similar (or dissimilar) is the Orthodox view compared to the Lutheran view that the Body and Blood of Christ is truly present in the bread and wine, but that the bread and wine never ceases to be bread and wine, i.e the bread is both bread AND the body of Christ at the same time and the wine is both wine AND the blood of Christ at the same time? I guess what I'm asking is, can an Orthodox person hold a view of the Real Presence that is identical to that of a Lutheran and still be considered Orthodox?
This next question is one I don't expect you to be able to answer unless you've read up on the roots of the Word of Faith movement* (I.e Copeland, Hagin etc.) but regarding the doctrine of theosis/deification, what would the differences be between the early teaching** of the WoF movement (that Adam started out as a god in paradise but lost that distinction when he fell for the temptation of satan and that we are able to obtain that same sort of godhood for ourselves) and the Orthodox teaching of deification? Reading what Ware has to say about deification doesn't make me nearly as uncomfortable as I am when I read about the teaching of the founders of the WoF movement, but that could merely be because I simply haven't read up on the Orthodox teaching nearly enough (although I guess the opposite is entirely possible too, i.e that further reading about the Orthodox doctrine of theosis will make my suspicions disappear completely )
*In other words, feel free to ignore this question if you don't have the necessary knowledge to answer it, or don't feel like researching the issue to such an extent that you would feel comfortable in answering it. I fully expect to have this question answered for me in the course of reading more about Orthodoxy, I just felt like it would be convenient if I could get an answer a bit earlier.
**I say early teaching, but I'm not sure if they've ever rescinded this doctrine.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by Chrawnus View PostTo be fair to the the Orthodox the Greek Orthodox Archdiocese of America does have it's own YT channel (and they even have a playlist called "Discovering Orthodox Christianity" which I'm intending to watch after reading OBP's books recommendations) so they're not completely out of touch with the possibilities of the interwebz.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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