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Should I cover my head when praying with Protestants?

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  • Should I cover my head when praying with Protestants?

    Should I cover my head when praying with Protestants? (P.s. most i know are material, not formal, herretics and go to Protestant/evangelical churches.)
    I am become death...

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    Ooh, there's a dangerous topic. Even among Orthodox, that can be a vicious fight.

    What's the difference between a material and a formal heretic?
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    • #3
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Ooh, there's a dangerous topic. Even among Orthodox, that can be a vicious fight.

      What's the difference between a material and a formal heretic?
      iirc from Catholic Answers (not sure how this would necessarily translate into Orthodoxy... since from what I understand we don't normally break down into such minutiae... not the way that Catholics do, at least, lol) a formal heretic would be one who has officially broken off from the Church, e.g., Martin Luther (from a Catholic perspective). A material heretic would be someone who holds heretical beliefs but has not formally left the Church, typically because they never belonged to the Church to begin with, e.g., most Protestants today.

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      • #4
        For the record, I don't normally cover my head anyway, but I go to an Antiochian church where very few women cover. It's mostly the Ethiopian immigrants. Actually, more women at my Western Rite parish cover, and the vast majority of the population there is families that converted from the Episcopal church.

        I read once that we should not pray with Protestants, though we can pray at the same time... but as OBP said it's hugely contentious and my priest told me to run things by him before following something that sounds really strict.

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        • #5
          IMO, covering one's head in prayer as a woman is a pious custom of 2,000 years' standing - but when the church was formed, I understand that only prostitutes didn't cover their heads, and that's totally not the custom today.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            IMO, covering one's head in prayer as a woman is a pious custom of 2,000 years' standing - but when the church was formed, I understand that only prostitutes didn't cover their heads, and that's totally not the custom today.
            I mean, I have covered before (as an Anglican, interestingly enough) and I like it as a piety thing, tbh. But it's also in a super minority where I am, so I haven't thus far where I'm at.

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            • #7
              Are you addressing the question only to fellow Orthodox, or to us heretics as well?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by Ana Dragule View Post
                Should I cover my head when praying with Protestants? (P.s. most i know are material, not formal, herretics and go to Protestant/evangelical churches.)
                If you feel led to cover it, why not?
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                  Are you addressing the question only to fellow Orthodox, or to us heretics as well?
                  Heretics may join. I am sure I am a little bit of a heretic myself.
                  Last edited by Ana Dragule; 07-22-2018, 12:43 AM.
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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Ana Dragule View Post
                    Heretics may join. I am sure I am a little bit of a heretic myself.
                    Thanks.

                    For now, just a few quick(?) questions: Is covering a common practice among the Orthodox? If so, what is the basis? 1 Cor. 11? (The notes in my Orthodox Study Bible do not address that portion of 1 Cor. 11 at all.)

                    (Background FWIW: There is here at TW a long-dormant thread about "Complementarianism vs. Egalitarianism." I'd promised a reply, but life interrupted me. But I have left the tab open all this time, so I'll keep seeing it nagging me. Recently I've returned to it by studying and composing a post offline. 1 Cor. 11 comes up of course. Now you've gotten me curious about the OC angle. I have yet to see any NT scholar address the fact that it was apparently a long-standing tradition in some "old" branches of Christianity. I'm going to try to dig into that.)
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                    "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                    Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                      Thanks.

                      For now, just a few quick(?) questions: Is covering a common practice among the Orthodox?
                      In some jurisdictions (i.e., Russian), a woman must have her head covered in order to receive the Eucharist; it others, it has become rather uncommon.
                      If so, what is the basis?
                      Here's an article from the Russian perspective. Short answer, 1) because it's a tradition stretching all the way back to Genesis that women cover their hair, and 2) on account of a woman's honor and because of the angels (1 Cor 11). The article has a few patristic quotes dwelling on the latter.
                      Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                        Thanks.

                        For now, just a few quick(?) questions: Is covering a common practice among the Orthodox? If so, what is the basis? 1 Cor. 11? (The notes in my Orthodox Study Bible do not address that portion of 1 Cor. 11 at all.)

                        (Background FWIW: There is here at TW a long-dormant thread about "Complementarianism vs. Egalitarianism." I'd promised a reply, but life interrupted me. But I have left the tab open all this time, so I'll keep seeing it nagging me. Recently I've returned to it by studying and composing a post offline. 1 Cor. 11 comes up of course. Now you've gotten me curious about the OC angle. I have yet to see any NT scholar address the fact that it was apparently a long-standing tradition in some "old" branches of Christianity. I'm going to try to dig into that.)
                        It is in Orthodox Churches (Armenian during the Eucharist, Coptic during liturgy (with Eucharist) and Vespers, Antiochian during liturgy and vespers...), however, it is not common in Protestant ones (unless you count Messianic women who cover if married)
                        Last edited by Ana Dragule; 08-12-2018, 03:38 AM.
                        I am become death...

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