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  • foudroyant
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    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
    We;re not talking about making someone else the heart-knower of all. We're talking about God giving someone else knowledge of someone else's heart, if only in a particular moment.
    God gave people extraordinary knowledge of others hearts but never their totality.

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  • Spartacus
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    No, for that would violate His omniscience.
    He alone is the heart-knower of all (1 Kings 8:39; 2 Chronicles 6:30).
    We;re not talking about making someone else the heart-knower of all. We're talking about God giving someone else knowledge of someone else's heart, if only in a particular moment.

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  • tabibito
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    Originally posted by Foudroyant
    They pray to the "saints" thus God's absolute holiness is denigrated for His absolute holiness is why prayer is rendered unto Him
    ?? Be assured that pagan Gods are prayed to - and their absolute holiness is somewhat in doubt. Neither God nor any other, whether person or spirit, is prayed to because of their attribute of holiness. The Bible does note that prayer is directed to entities other than God, or gods. Prayer is not worship - it can be many things, including petition, but worship it is not. It is an address to someone else - and only one form of prayer (προσευχομαι) is restricted to address to a deity. All other forms of prayer can be addressed to anyone.

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  • foudroyant
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    No, for that would violate His omniscience.
    He alone is the heart-knower of all (1 Kings 8:39; 2 Chronicles 6:30).

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  • Spartacus
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    No, for that would mean that God created another heart-knower of all (another omniscient God).
    So even given all of eternity, God cannot explain something finite (any individual human heart) to another person?

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