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Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

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  • #736
    Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
    I'm not even surprised that you dodged the question. It was fun at first, now it's just boring. Until you're willing to acknowledge, at the very least, how novel your argument is, I'm gonna go spend my time more productively. In the mean time, there is a Catholic Answers piece that explores the etymology and historical definition of the English word "worship." Some here may find it interesting.
    You just don't approve how the evidence refutes your heresy.

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    • #737
      And there is no dictionary that defines worship as prayer, nor is there a dictionary that defines prayer as worship. What some dictionaries do is explain that worship can be expressed in the form of prayer.

      A person can worship simply by bowing down. This doesn't mean that bowing down is worship, or that worship is bowing down. It means that the person expresses worship by bowing down.

      He might worship in other ways as well, and he might bow down as a matter of simply being polite.
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.
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      • #738
        Originally posted by robrecht View Post
        But we have much fuller liturgical prayers that have been handed down through the centuries
        Prayer in the Bible is always worship.
        What you and others are doing is not a fuller understanding of it but an overthrow of it.

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        • #739
          Prayer in the Bible is always worship.
          A bare assertion that you have never even come close to substantiating with any citation from the Bible.
          1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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          Scripture before Tradition:
          but that won't prevent others from
          taking it upon themselves to deprive you
          of the right to call yourself Christian.
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          • #740
            Originally posted by tabibito View Post
            And there is no dictionary that defines worship as prayer, nor is there a dictionary that defines prayer as worship. What some dictionaries do is explain that worship can be expressed in the form of prayer.

            A person can worship simply by bowing down. This doesn't mean that bowing down is worship, or that worship is bowing down. It means that the person expresses worship by bowing down.

            He might worship in other ways as well, and he might bow down as a matter of simply being polite.
            Prayer is always worship.
            I have 100% of the time it is done in the Bible to back me up on this wile you have 0% of the time.

            But you will stick with zero.

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            • #741
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post
              A bare assertion that you have never even come close to substantiating with any citation from the Bible.

              Wrong. I already cited 1 Corinthians 1:2.

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              • #742
                You dodged this:

                What did the Lord Jesus call the Temple? --- A house of PRAYER.

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                • #743
                  Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                  Prayer in the Bible is always worship.
                  What you and others are doing is not a fuller understanding of it but an overthrow of it.
                  False accusation.
                  βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
                  ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.
                  אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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                  • #744
                    1Co 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

                    Has nothing to do with whether prayer is worship.
                    1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                    Scripture before Tradition:
                    but that won't prevent others from
                    taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                    of the right to call yourself Christian.
                    ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                    • #745
                      Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                      False accusation.
                      Not false because by praying to Mary one is worshiping Mary....and worship is due unto God alone.

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                      • #746
                        Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                        1Co 1:2 To the church of God which is at Corinth, to those who are sanctified in Christ Jesus, called to be saints, with all who in every place call on the name of Jesus Christ our Lord, both theirs and ours:

                        Has nothing to do with whether prayer is worship.
                        Wrong again.
                        Post #2 Letter "G"
                        http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...the-Lord-Jesus

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                        • #747
                          Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                          Figured that....your opinion trumps all.
                          Blow it somewhere else.
                          Oh, the irony.
                          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                          I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                          • #748
                            The irony of me citing plenty of dictionaries to back up my assertions.

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                            • #749
                              Originally posted by robrecht View Post
                              By claiming to know what Catholics teach and believe, but supposedly do not admit to teaching or believing, you assume the very knowledge of their hearts that you claim to know that Mary and the saints cannot have.
                              Exactly. A pity he's too blinded by his dogmatic assertions to see that.
                              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                              • #750
                                Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                                Not false because by praying to Mary one is worshiping Mary....and worship is due unto God alone.
                                Absolutely false. I do not worship Mary and have never done so. I have not done what you accuse me of doing and you are not able to know my heart and hence have no way of knowing if what you say is true.
                                βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
                                ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.
                                אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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