When prayer is to anyone and/or anything else besides God in the Bible it is wrong 100% of the time.
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Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostWhen prayer is to anyone and/or anything else besides God in the Bible it is wrong 100% of the time.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View Postok if you don't want to go by what God always condemned then don't. Your choice but you have zero biblical justification for it.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Do I really have to cite every single prayer in the Bible? Just pick one and that is worship.
God condemns praying to any other besides Him. Prayer is worship. I pointed this out in the OP with passages from the Bible.
Furthermore, you attribute omniscience to Mary because you believe she is able to hear your prayers to her along with myriads of other people at the same time with various requests and this can be done silently. Thus she knows your hearts in equality with God. That is blasphemous.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostDo I really have to cite every single prayer in the Bible? Just pick one and that is worship.
God condemns praying to any other besides Him. Prayer is worship. I pointed this out in the OP with passages from the Bible.
Furthermore, you attribute omniscience to Mary because you believe she is able to hear your prayers to her along with myriads of other people at the same time with various requests and this can be done silently. Thus she knows your hearts in equality with God. That is blasphemous.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostYou make the distinction between prayer and worship. The Bible doesn't.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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Originally posted by Spartacus View PostThat doesn't mean that everything true is made clear in the Bible.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by foudroyant View PostPraying to any other but God is abundantly clear.
The Lord Jesus stated that God is to be served (λατρεύσεις) only (Luke 4:8).
The Bible teaches that all prayer is latreuo.Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.
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