Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

[robrecht]

By praying to her the ability to search the hearts in equality with God is attributed to her (cf. Romans 8:26-27).
The pope and others pray to her and encourage their followers to do the same which adds sin unto sin.

That is your interpretation of their actions. An interpretation of their beliefs that they themselves would not agree with. You think you know their hearts and can interpret their prayers contrary to what they themselves believe about their own intentions and actions. And you even make up false claims about what they say. It is NOT true that Catholics say Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit. You should not make false claims.

[foudroyant]

So you admit that it is NOT true that Catholics say Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit.

By praying to her the ability to search the hearts in equality with God is attributed to her (cf. Romans 8:26-27).
The pope and others pray to her and encourage their followers to do the same which adds sin unto sin.

[robrecht]

Again, they won't affirm this but in practice they do.

So you admit that it is NOT true that Catholics say Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit. And you admit that Catholics do NOT say that Mary can guide prayers according to the will of God in equality with the Holy Spirit.

It does not help your case when you make stuff up.

There is no need for her to interceded when she can not understand the silent language of the heart when it goes unspoken. There is no need to pray to her when it is God alone who does know this information.

There is no need to period. Orthodox and Catholics do not teach that it is necessary to pray to Mary.

[foudroyant]

Again, they won't affirm this but in practice they do.
There is no need for her to interceded when she can not understand the silent language of the heart when it goes unspoken. There is no need to pray to her when it is God alone who does know this information.

"Need"....ok there is no reason at all to tell people she should be addressed in prayer. Prayer is properly due unto God alone.

[robrecht]

Then there is no need for her intercession since the omniscient Holy Spirit would by definition need no help. The Holy Spirit's intercession is perfect for He fully knows our hearts.
AND
Then there is no need for her to be prayed to since the omniscient God would be the only one who can fully understand the silent prayers of the heart. She and all others are unqualified for that.

You completely avoided my questions?

Where has anyone said Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit? Has anyone said that or are you just making that up?

Where has anyone said that Mary can guide prayers according to the will of God in equality with the Holy Spirit? Has anyone actually said that or are you just making that up?

So it seems you were just making stuff up.

As for your most recent misrepresentations above, we do not teach that there is a need for Mary's intercession or a need to pray to her.

[foudroyant]

That's why I previously changed it and put "Christian prayer".

Next stupid argument......

[tabibito]

1Pe 3:12 For the eyes of the LORD are on the righteous,
And His ears are open to their prayers;
But the face of the LORD is against those who do evil.

The same with 1 Peter 3:12. Is prayer taking place there? No but it is a truth about all prayer.

Overall, it is not a truth about prayer - it is truth about God.
but, what does it say about prayer?
...........It is heard by God.
Does it say anything else about prayer?

No but it is a truth about all prayer.

All prayer? No - the prayer of the righteous alone is referenced: the prayer of the unrighteous doesn't even rate a mention.

[foudroyant]

Stupid.
It's teaching about when we pray. Prayer is not taking place in this passage. The same with 1 Peter 3:12. Is prayer taking place there? No, but it is a truth about Christian prayer. The same here in Romans 8:26-27.

Man, you are clueless.

[tabibito]

What an idiot.
It talks about when we do pray.

Romans 8:26 Likewise the Spirit also helps in our weaknesses. For we do not know what we should pray for as we ought, but the Spirit Himself makes intercession for us with groanings which cannot be uttered.

Where does it say we are praying, Foudroyant? You say that it does. Maybe you should highlight the place where it says we are praying, so that everyone can be sure that you are able to accurately handle the word of truth and rightly divide the scriptures.

[foudroyant]

Because you are a heretic.
Romans 8:26-27 destroys the filth that you spew out.

[tabibito]

Dude, you are pathetic. You wrest Scripture to your own destruction.
Anyone who engages in those activities is an idolater but an idolater can also engage in other activities.

Had I been presented with that question, I would have stated that the second answer (transgressor=idolater) was correct, and provided scriptural references that demonstrated my answer to be accurate.
You, by contrast, not knowing how to uphold the truth, simply resort to froth mouthed vilification.

[foudroyant]

Where has anyone said Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit? Has anyone said that or are you just making that up?

Where has anyone said that Mary can guide prayers according to the will of God in equality with the Holy Spirit? Has anyone actually said that or are you just making that up?

Then there is no need for her intercession since the omniscient Holy Spirit would by definition need no help. The Holy Spirit's intercession is perfect for He fully knows our hearts.
AND
Then there is no need for her to be prayed to since the omniscient God would be the only one who can fully understand the silent prayers of the heart. She and all others are unqualified for that.

[foudroyant]

Learning to accurately handle the word of truth and to rightly divide the scriptures is not a matter of listening to sermons and lectures or examining commentaries, Foudroyant. It is a matter of giving close and careful attention to the text to determine with precision what it is saying.
The process can be made more effective by working out whether a given text answers questions formulated on the basis of the text itself. If the answer is ambiguous, it is a matter of checking other passages (sometimes there are many) addressing the same issue for clarification.

As a matter of demonstration:
Ephesians 5:5 For this you know, that no fornicator, unclean person, nor covetous man, who is an idolater, has any inheritance in the kingdom of Christ and God.
Does Ephesians 5:5 say that an idolater who is also a fornicator, unclean person (etc) has no inheritance?
or
Does Ephesians 5:5 say that a fornicator, unclean person (etc) is an idolater who has no inheritance?

It is ambiguous - By itself, Ephesians 5:5 doesn't answer the question.

It becomes a matter of searching out other passages that address "idolater" and "idolatry". Once that has been done, the answer is clear and the correct interpretation can be declared without any possibility of contradiction.

Dude, you are pathetic. You wrest Scripture to your own destruction.
Anyone who engages in those activities is an idolater but an idolater can also engage in other activities.

All prayer is worship but not all worship is prayer. There are other ways to worship God - like fasting.

[foudroyant]

Yet again, your answer is based not on the text that has been presented. Where does the text say that we are praying?

What an idiot.
It talks about when we do pray.

[foudroyant]

I am defending the truth - what you are posting is not in accord with the truth - you're attempting to underscore your charge of blasphemy with misrepresentations of scripture.

You are not defending the truth because Roman 8:26-27 refutes what you are trying to defend.

I don't know the official Roman Catholic stance as it pertains to your question. Whenever I tell them not to pray to Mary they almost always respond by saying that it's just like asking a friend (living on earth) to pray for you.
This is not the same.