Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

[robrecht]

Nope. It's what Romans 8:26-27 teaches.

The player caught the ball then sank a 3 point shot at the buzzer. Basketball? No, because he insists that he is really playing baseball despite all the evidence to the contrary.

God alone has the power to know the unspoken words of the heart.
Mary and others do not.

Judging the hearts and prayers, beliefs and intentions of others is not a baseball game, and you clearly are in no position to do so justly because you make up false claims about what people supposedly say but will not admit to.

[tabibito]

When people ask elders to pray for them, they are not attributing omniscience to the elders. Quite clearly omniscience isn't needed to hear and understand prayer, and neither is it needed for a prophet to know what is in a person's heart. Both conditions rely on God's willingness for those things to happen.

Tell me when myriads of people can silently call on someone and that person being called on knows every silent request.

If God makes it possible, it is possible. You need to be able to demonstrate that God will not make it possible.

[foudroyant]

When I say no need to pray to her that means it is a sin to do so for it is attributing to her omniscience.
Omniscience....nope I wasn't lying or making that up. I cited plenty of sources that agree with me - and yes to be the Heart-Knower means to be omniscient.

Tell me when myriads of people can silently call on someone (besides God) and that person being called on knows every silent request.
Let me help you...never - for that wold require omniscience (See Paragraph #1 cf. Romans 8:26-27).

[tabibito]

No need to pray to her when Romans 8:26-27 teaches otherwise.

You finally apply the verse properly - it demonstrates that there is no need to pray to Mary.
See how easy it is? You don't have to invent stories about what the passage says, you don't have to lie about the meaning of the scripture. All you have to do is use a bit of nous to work out how it properly applies.

Now - how does this impact on whether it is permissible to pray to resurrected saints? It isn't possible to say that the verse prohibits calling on others to pray for you: people are instructed to call on the elders for prayer.

[foudroyant]

No need to pray to her when Romans 8:26-27 teaches otherwise.

Yeah ok...keep your idiocy going.

[tabibito]

God searching the heart iss the same thing as Him knowing them.

Keep this going as long as you like - the passage says that 1/ God searches the heart (yes, of a person) and 2/ God knows the mind of the (Holy) Spirit.
We know that the passage says God knows the mind of the Holy Spirit, because the one that God knows the mind of is the one doing the interceding.

Your refutation is wholly imaginary. You're trying to shoehorn the text into support for your assertions about an unrelated issue.

[foudroyant]

Where does that come from? It certainly doesn't come from Romans 8:26-27. It says there, that God knows the mind of the Holy Spirit, because in accord with God, the Holy Spirit makes intercession.

Hey Dunce Boy,
God searching the heart is the same thing as Him fully knowing them.

[foudroyant]

Romans 8:26-27 refers to the intercession of the Holy Spirit when we don't know what to pray for.

We never do without Him.
This was already discussed.

Try something new.

When I wrote "Next stupid argument..." that doesn't mean repeat what has already been refuted.

[tabibito]

God who knows the totality of the hearts fully understands the unpsoken prayer of the Christian.

Where does that come from? It certainly doesn't come from Romans 8:26-27. It says there, that God knows the mind of the Holy Spirit, because in accord with God, the Holy Spirit makes intercession.

[tabibito]

Romans 8:26-27 refers to the intercession of the Holy Spirit when we don't know what to pray for.

[foudroyant]

Romans 8:26-27 (simplified grammar)
Likewise, the Spirit also helps us in our weakness. When we don't know what to pray for, the (Holy) Spirit intercedes for us. He-who-searches-the-heart (God) knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit acts in accord with God.

The Holy Spirit can perfectly intercede for us because He knows the totality of the hearts.
Does Mary? No.
God who knows the totality of the hearts so He fully understands the unpsoken prayer of the Christian.
Does Mary? No.

[foudroyant]

Cited plenty of sources for Romans 8:26-27.

Your stupid approach was to tell us it isn't actually a prayer. Well no kidding dummy. It teaches about Christian prayer.
What a blockhead way of thinking you approach Scripture with.

[tabibito]

That is your interpretation of their actions. An interpretation of their beliefs that they themselves would not agree with. You think you know their hearts and can interpret their prayers contrary to what they themselves believe about their own intentions and actions. And you even make up false claims about what they say. It is NOT true that Catholics say Mary can search the hearts in equality with the Holy Spirit. You should not make false claims.

So far, he hasn't even demonstrated a willingness to acknowledge the truth about what scripture itself says (except when it suits his purpose) - you could hardly expect him to acknowledge the truth about what Rome teaches (except when it suits his purpose).

[tabibito]

By praying to her the ability to search the hearts in equality with God is attributed to her (cf. Romans 8:26-27).
The pope and others pray to her and encourage their followers to do the same which adds sin unto sin.

Romans 8:26-27 (simplified grammar)
Likewise, the Spirit also helps us in our weakness. When we don't know what to pray for, the (Holy) Spirit intercedes for us. He-who-searches-the-heart (God) knows the mind of the Spirit because the Spirit, in accord with God, intercedes for the saints.

[foudroyant]

That is your interpretation of their actions.

Nope. It's what Romans 8:26-27 teaches.

The player caught the ball then sank a 3 point shot at the buzzer. Basketball? No, because he insists that he is really playing baseball despite all the evidence to the contrary.

God alone has the power to know the unspoken words of the heart.
Mary and others do not.