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  • foudroyant
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    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Foudroyant seems to think that the saints are unknowingly being treated as gods. That wouldn't be heresy anyway - just a misguided action, so even by what seems to be his belief, a charge of heresy can't be sustained. Even if it could be substantiated that the saints were being treated as gods, that charge would be nothing more than a malicious slander.

    They offer them silent prayers and feel confident that they hear them.

    And....not one passage in the Bible can be cited where prayer is not worship.

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  • foudroyant
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    Originally posted by robrecht View Post
    So let's see how you addressed this:



    Oops. You did not address how Catholics can supposedly believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time.

    Let's try to clarify your position from the ground up. Which of the following statements do you think is true?

    A. Catholics believe Mary is a god.

    B. Catholics do not believe Mary is a god.

    C. Both of the above.

    D. None of the above.

    Trainreck you are pathetic.
    I explain this over and over and you just are so dense.

    Pay real close attention now.....

    By praying to Mary the RCC has made her into their God.
    Ontologically the biblical Mary is not God.
    But the heretical CATHOLIC Mary is a God to them.

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  • tabibito
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    Foudroyant seems to think that the saints are unknowingly being treated as gods. That wouldn't be heresy anyway - just a misguided action, so even by what seems to be his belief, a charge of heresy can't be sustained. Even if it could be substantiated that the saints were being treated as gods, that charge would be nothing more than a malicious slander.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by robrecht View Post
    They cannot believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time. You seem to think two opposite things can be true at the same time, but the rest of us (Catholics included) realize two opposite things cannot both be true at the same time.
    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    Already addressed in Post #949 and the first sentence of #951.
    So let's see how you addressed this:

    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    They are not contradictory.
    Paul dealt with the same thing. There is no God but one by nature (Galatians 4:8) but people can pray to anything/anyone that is not God and they become a "god" for them (1 Corinthians 10:19-20).
    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    They have made her their God by praying to her.
    Oops. You did not address how Catholics can supposedly believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time.

    Let's try to clarify your position from the ground up. Which of the following statements do you think is true?

    A. Catholics believe Mary is a god.

    B. Catholics do not believe Mary is a god.

    C. Both of the above.

    D. None of the above.

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  • foudroyant
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    Already addressed in Post #949 and the first sentence of #951.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    They have made her their God by praying to her.
    I have taught this all along. No need to make up my mind.
    They cannot believe she is a god and not believe she is a god at the same time. You seem to think two opposite things can be true at the same time, but the rest of us (Catholics included) realize two opposite things cannot both be true at the same time.

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  • foudroyant
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    They have made her their God by praying to her.
    I have taught this all along. No need to make up my mind.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    They are not contradictory.
    Paul dealt with the same thing. There is no God but one by nature (Galatians 4:8) but people can pray to anything/anyone that is not God and they become a "god" for them (1 Corinthians 10:19-20).
    Either Catholics believe Mary is a god or they are deluded and pray to her thinking she is not a god. Can't be both. Make up your mind.

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  • foudroyant
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    They are not contradictory.
    Paul dealt with the same thing. There is no God but one by nature (Galatians 4:8) but people can pray to anything/anyone that is not God and they become a "god" for them (1 Corinthians 10:19-20).

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    Galatians 4:8

    There is only one God but by praying to her they have made her their god. She is a false god but a "for" for them.
    Well, at least you seem to tacitly acknowledge that you cannot defend contradictory claims. But it would be better, ie, more honest, if you would explicitly retract at least one of your contradictory false claims.

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  • foudroyant
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    Galatians 4:8

    There is only one God but by praying to her they have made her their god. She is a false god but a "for" for them.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    In both situations they are delusional because the evidence is contrary to both claims.
    He is really playing basketball.
    By silently praying to Mary they are affirming she knows their hearts.
    If you want to now change your claim to 'Cathlics are delusional when they say they are not worshipping Mary as a god', you still must abandon your earlier claim that Catholics believe Mary is a god. How can you not see this? If their delusion is that they can pray to Mary as someone who is not a god, clearly they do not believe she is a god when praying to her. Elementary logic.

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  • foudroyant
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    In both situations they are delusional because the evidence is contrary to both claims.
    He is really playing basketball.
    By silently praying to Mary they are affirming she knows their hearts.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    The RCC and others pray to their mythical Mary...thus the believe she is a god for every time in Scripture prayer takes place it is worship.
    Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
    It's not irrelevant because by praying to her they are worshiping her. They too are in a state of denial because by insisting that it isn't worship runs it contrary to EVERY example from the Bible which shows that every time prayer occurs it is always worship.
    No, your position is completely untenable. If you concede that Catholics do not believe they are praying to Mary as a god, you cannot at the same time claim that Catholics belive Mary is a god. These are two contradictory positions. You cannot hold both at the same time.

    In your analogy, if the basketball player genuinely believed he was playing baseball, he was not lying to his parents when he tells them he was playing baseball, nor is he saying that he is playing basketball when he says he is playing baseball.

    If you want to now change your claim to Cathlics are in a a state of denial when they say they are not worshipping Mary as a god, you must abandon your earlier claim that Catholics believe Mary is a god. How can you not see this?
    Last edited by robrecht; 08-20-2014, 08:00 PM.

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  • foudroyant
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    It's not irrelevant because by praying to her they are worshiping her. They too are in a state of denial because by insisting that it isn't worship runs it contrary to EVERY example from the Bible which shows that every time prayer occurs it is always worship.

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