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Praying to Mary is worshiping Mary

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  • When prayer is to anyone and/or anything else besides God in the Bible it is wrong 100% of the time.

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    • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
      When prayer is to anyone and/or anything else besides God in the Bible it is wrong 100% of the time.
      That doesn't answer my question. Why do I need a Bible passage to justify making an obvious distinction?
      Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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      • ok if you don't want to go by what God always condemned then don't. Your choice but you have zero biblical justification for it.

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        • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
          ok if you don't want to go by what God always condemned then don't. Your choice but you have zero biblical justification for it.
          God has never explicitly condemned anything that closely resembles Catholic theology on this issue, and the only reason you haven't produced a specific Bible passage doing so is because you can't.
          Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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          • Do I really have to cite every single prayer in the Bible? Just pick one and that is worship.
            God condemns praying to any other besides Him. Prayer is worship. I pointed this out in the OP with passages from the Bible.

            Furthermore, you attribute omniscience to Mary because you believe she is able to hear your prayers to her along with myriads of other people at the same time with various requests and this can be done silently. Thus she knows your hearts in equality with God. That is blasphemous.

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            • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
              Do I really have to cite every single prayer in the Bible? Just pick one and that is worship.
              God condemns praying to any other besides Him. Prayer is worship. I pointed this out in the OP with passages from the Bible.
              That there are no biblical passages in which prayer and worship are not separated does not mean that this distinction is either unorthodox or impossible. There is, as I just said, nothing in the Bible that is directly comparable to Catholic veneration of the saints.

              Furthermore, you attribute omniscience to Mary because you believe she is able to hear your prayers to her along with myriads of other people at the same time with various requests and this can be done silently. Thus she knows your hearts in equality with God. That is blasphemous.
              We can get to that later.
              Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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              • You make the distinction between prayer and worship. The Bible doesn't.

                I'll stick with the 100% of the time this is true while RC's can have the 0%.

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                • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                  You make the distinction between prayer and worship. The Bible doesn't.
                  Why should that matter? The distinction has been evident to everyone else in the thread but you. It's a distinction any uninhibited rational mind can make.
                  Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                  • It matters because the Bible is true.

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                    • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                      It matters because the Bible is true.
                      That doesn't mean that everything true is made clear in the Bible.
                      Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                      • Originally posted by Spartacus View Post
                        That doesn't mean that everything true is made clear in the Bible.
                        Sure it does. That's why Protestants, who rely only on the Bible, all believe the same thing.
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                        • Praying to any other but God is abundantly clear.

                          The Lord Jesus stated that God is to be served (λατρεύσεις) only (Luke 4:8).

                          The Bible teaches that all prayer is latreuo.

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                          • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                            Praying to any other but God is abundantly clear.

                            The Lord Jesus stated that God is to be served (λατρεύσεις) only (Luke 4:8).

                            The Bible teaches that all prayer is latreuo.
                            The Bible teaches that all latria is latria. It doesn't say that all dulia is latria, or that the english word "prayer" cannot be used to refer to both latria and dulia.
                            Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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                            • The Bible speaks nothing of your dulia prayer myth.

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                              • Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                                The Bible speaks nothing of your dulia prayer myth.
                                Then you agree with my posts #319 and #321. The Bible cannot condemn something on which it is silent.
                                Don't call it a comeback. It's a riposte.

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