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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    So your answer is no, you don't check with the catholic church before interpreting scripture. You do the exact same thing that protestants do, you interpret scripture yourself.

    So your point of argument is wrong.

    You logic fails.
    The Catholic has the added benefit of all of the doctrines of the RCC, along with the binding nature of the universal consent of the church fathers. The Catholic is bound by such authority whereas the Protestant method of private interpretation excludes the binding nature of such authority.

    If a Catholic goes to say Mark 14:22-24, and comes to the conclusion that that text does not teach the Eucharist as taught by the fathers and the magisterium of the RCC, then the Catholic is being disobedient to those authorities and is not correctly understanding the text in accord with tradition. If a Protestant goes to the same text and concludes the text in Mark 14:22-24 is not teaching the Eucharist as understood by the fathers and the magisterium, then the Protestant is merely applying the reformed method of private interpretation. The two methods have some common areas, but also some marked differences.

    JM

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    • #32
      Originally posted by JohnMartin View Post
      Oral tradition is the word of the Lord and hence inspired by the Holy Spirit.
      Says who? Can you give one example?
      1 Peter 1:25 . . .but the word of the Lord endures forever." And this is the word that was preached to you.
      Yeah, then by the Apostles.


      Acts 15, and Matt 16, and 18 are passages where Jesus gves the apostles the power to bind and loose. Acts 15 is a historical record of how that power was used by the early church. The church was granted the power to bind and loose and acted to loose the church from men having to receive circumcision along with baptism. The same principle applies in church history whereby the church acted to bind the faithful to many doctrines and practices for the sake of the faithful.

      JM
      Yes, then according to the written word of God as it was given then to those Apostles.
      . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

      . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

      Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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