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Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not for Today
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
Do you know of any cults you speak out against? You are called to do so.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by tabibito View PostGiven that you have been unable to substantiate your claims about baptism in the Holy Spirit, it stands to reason that you will be unable to substantiate your equally specious claims about the fruits and gifts of the Holy Spirit.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Further proof Pentecostalism is a false movement. In the scriptures, people who spoke in tongues knew what they were saying. Today's tongue speakers do not. How is this? Paul says knowing what is said edifies. And tongue speakers knew what they were saying and became edified. Today's tongue speakers are not edified because they know not what they say.
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
Provide an example or be found a liar.
Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBut you specifically told us to "look what happened since Carter" and that
Originally posted by Dave L View PostAs I see it, Carter was a righteous standard God used to confirm the wickedness of the American people, when they voted him out. Things got bad ever since then leading to where we are now.
You proclaimed that "America is under judgment" as the result of voting Carter out was an act of wickedness for which God judged us, but it appears that God approved since He granted us 20 years of peace and prosperity.
You've also been all over the map when it comes to what followed Carter, when "the wickedness" of the American people were "under judgment."
First, when I pointed out that any judgment must have included blessing us with "one of the strongest economies and periods of prosperity lasting for two decades" you replied
Originally posted by Dave L View PostThank God for that.
But as soon as you realized what you had said we got
Originally posted by Dave L View PostYou see money, the love of which is the root of all evil, and all evil including war as a reward without penalty.
Which fell apart under its own inanity when it was pointed out that the period also was not just one of prosperity but one of peace.
So the judgment for removing Carter was 20 years of peace and prosperity.
And with that you did a desperate 180 degree spin on a dime proclaiming, after saying "Thank God" for it
Originally posted by Dave L View PostWhat peace? What prosperity?
You later added (after I again reminded you of when) "I doubt if 911 and its repercussions would have happened under Carter," which makes me wonder that if in whatever corner of the Twilight Zone you inhabit, you think that Carter could have even remained president from 1976 to 2001.
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostThe most amusing example of you going back and forth contradicting yourself wasn't a thread you started but rather one you sought to derail...
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Originally posted by tabibito View Post
I doubt that any Pentecostal would be in the least discomfited by your claims, but not being a Pentecostal, I couldn't say that with certainty.
Your lame attempt to denigrate other people fails to cover your incompetence when it comes to assessing scripture.
Most would have an attitude more like, "Whatever you say, Punkinhead. Bless your heart."Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Some would be either angry or sad, in both cases believing he comes close to despising the work of the Spirit and possibly attributing it to demons.
Most would have an attitude more like, "Whatever you say, Punkinhead. Bless your heart."
https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
So you are guilty of the same thing you accuse me of. Isn't this hypocrisy?Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
It's a question. Unless I misunderstood something, you believe Pentecostalism is a cult. You asserted we -- or at least the one specific person you addressed -- are/is called to speak out against cults. In my view, the intensity of your anti-Pentecostalism is cultic. Since that is my belief, do you believe I am therefore "called" to speak out against you?
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
Do you know that American Pentecostalism came from a mixture of voodoo tongues with Wesly Methodism?
https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080
Thanks for that.Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by Dave L View Post
Check its source and tell me it isn't a cult. https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.
Beige Federalist.
Nationalist Christian.
"Everybody is somebody's heretic."
Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.
Proud member of the this space left blank community.
Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.
Justice for Ashli Babbitt!
Justice for Matthew Perna!
Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!
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Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
Thanks for that.
The after coming to Haitian and American shores, they voodooed whatever religion they encountered. Voodoo Methodism and voodoo Baptist churches, were common in Louisiana.
Wm. Seymour tried to voodoo the Church of God (Anderson) but got expelled. Shortly thereafter, he voodooed his Wesley Methodism at Azusa street in Los Angeles. He thought voodoo tongues were the same as Bible tongues. This became the Assemblies of God denomination with the Oneness United Pentecostal Church splitting off from them over their antitrinitarian views.
Curtis Edwards
Edwards, Curtis. Pagan Pentecostalism: Its Roots: Sex, Sin & Slavery . Kindle Edition.
Also Speaking in Tongues: Glossalalia and Stress Reduction
Mental aillness among Pentecostals. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8088740/
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