Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not for Today

[Machinist]

My experience is that most Pentecostals are more patient and generally "nicer" than I am. I don't know whether they practice glossolalia more or less than I do, so I can't explain it on that basis.

I've met some pretty patient Pentecostals before.

I'll explain if you wish.

Yeah sure. That was an interesting read.

[Sparko]

So if God controls every thought and action of his creation, then why didn't he just stop Satan from rebelling and Adam and Eve from sinning in the first place? Imagine the glory of having created a world where everything created never sinned in the first place!

[Cow Poke]

So if God controls every thought and action of his creation, then why didn't he just stop Satan from rebelling and Adam and Eve from sinning in the first place? Imagine the glory of having created a world where everything created never sinned in the first place!

Dave's gonna have LOTS of work to do straightening us all out when he comes back from his vacay.

[Christianbookworm]

Dave thinks we are fictional characters.

[Machinist]

Hypercalvinism huh? That's what Dave has going on here?

I'm quite sure that the Calvinist church I go to isn't in to this. I can't imagine any congregation where that's the prevailing attitude and belief.

[Cow Poke]

Hypercalvinism huh? That's what Dave has going on here?

I'm quite sure that the Calvinist church I go to isn't in to this. I can't imagine any congregation where that's the prevailing attitude and belief.

His version of Calvinism appears to hate free will. Personally, I think he's more of a Pharisee than a Calvinist.

[rogue06]

Hypercalvinism huh? That's what Dave has going on here?

I'm quite sure that the Calvinist church I go to isn't in to this. I can't imagine any congregation where that's the prevailing attitude and belief.

It's a perversion of Calvinism that seemed to be more prevalent several decades back than it is today.

[Cow Poke]

It's a perversion of Calvinism that seemed to be more prevalent several decades back than it is today.

But I've never seen anybody take it to the extent he does.

[rogue06]

But I've never seen anybody take it to the extent he does.

I knew someone like that. He also believed it didn't matter what he did because he had been predestined as part of the Elect who would go to heaven.

[Sparko]

But I've never seen anybody take it to the extent he does.

We had a few hypercalvinists here on Tweb in the past (before the big crash), that's how I recognized what Dave L is. They all tend to be pharisees too.

Here is an article about hypercalvinism.

https://g3min.org/calvinism-is-not-hyper-calvinism/

[Machinist]

A group of followers of Jacobus Arminius who studied under Theodore Beza (a disciple of John Calvin) drafted a document known as the Remonstrance. It was a detailed refutation of the sovereignty of God in salvation. It elevated the free will of man above the sovereign initiative and power of God. These people were known as Arminians. Their doctrine would eventually become known as Arminianism.


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That is some interesting history. Every now and then, the sermons at my church will include snippets and references to some of these figures as well as certain documents.

[Thoughtful Monk]

Dave thinks we are fictional characters.

I think he thinks of us as straw people to burn down.

[Cow Poke]

I knew someone like that. He also believed it didn't matter what he did because he had been predestined as part of the Elect who would go to heaven.

Yeah, such a self-defeating theology/argument. DaveThePharisee doesn't need to come here, because his actions on us can't change anything if we don't have free will.

[KingsGambit]

The most famous historical example of Hypercalvinism is when William Carey was told by an older church leader " When God pleases to convert the heathen, He will do without your aid or mine!" Carey didn't listen, of course.

[NorrinRadd]

A group of followers of Jacobus Arminius who studied under Theodore Beza (a disciple of John Calvin) drafted a document known as the Remonstrance. It was a detailed refutation of the sovereignty of God in salvation. It elevated the free will of man above the sovereign initiative and power of God. These people were known as Arminians. Their doctrine would eventually become known as Arminianism.


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That is some interesting history. Every now and then, the sermons at my church will include snippets and references to some of these figures as well as certain documents.

What's the source of that quote? I don't think most Arminians would agree that Arminianism "elevated the free will of man above the sovereign initiative and power of God." That is how Calvinists often *portray* Arminianism, but Arminians don't see it that way. That, I believe, is more like Pelagianism or Semi-Pelagianism; of course, Calvinists tend to view Arminianism as Pelagianism by another name.