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Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not for Today

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  • #46
    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    They were not the Antichrist.
    Nor is or was Rome. Maybe a case could be made for Rome being antichrist, but even that would be drawing a long-bow.

    However, none of your deflection does anything to show that there is a difference between baptism in the Holy Spirit, receiving the Holy Spirit, and having the Holy Spirit fall on one. That issue is foundational in examining the fruit and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

    Just as a BTW - the gift of the Holy Spirit is also different from the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
    "It's bigger inside" might work for a TARDIS - it doesn't work for a bronze sea.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Dave L View Post

      Do you claim the title of ignorance? Neither do I claim a monopoly on the truth.
      Wow, Dave... that was... um... dumb!

      I think I must have hacked you off by exposing your multi-site spamming. Including the site from which you were banned.

      You DO, in fact, appear to think that you DO have a monopoly on the truth ----- you boast about how you have studied so diligently, and how everybody else is wrong. You have a definite arrogance in that way.

      You don't have to "claim" you have a monopoly on the truth - it's your very character!
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

        Wow, Dave... that was... um... dumb!

        I think I must have hacked you off by exposing your multi-site spamming. Including the site from which you were banned.

        You DO, in fact, appear to think that you DO have a monopoly on the truth ----- you boast about how you have studied so diligently, and how everybody else is wrong. You have a definite arrogance in that way.
        I'm glad you found my post. I've been banned a couple of times because I quoted the ecumenical creeds and the moderators were in line with the heretics the creeds condemned. Can you believe it?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dave L View Post

          I'm glad you found my post. I've been banned a couple of times because I quoted the ecumenical creeds and the moderators were in line with the heretics the creeds condemned. Can you believe it?
          I'm sure that's why you were banned.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by tabibito View Post

            Nor is or was Rome. Maybe a case could be made for Rome being antichrist, but even that would be drawing a long-bow.

            However, none of your deflection does anything to show that there is a difference between baptism in the Holy Spirit, receiving the Holy Spirit, and having the Holy Spirit fall on one. That issue is foundational in examining the fruit and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

            Just as a BTW - the gift of the Holy Spirit is also different from the gifts of the Holy Spirit.
            Are you a Dispensationalist?

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

              I'm sure that's why you were banned.
              I taught scripture and they said my position was not orthodox. This means they take tradition over the word. The Pharisees did the same. This same post is called Baptism in Jesus' name. It proves almost every church, including the Baptists do not know how to baptize. See if you can refute it....

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                I taught scripture and they said my position was not orthodox. This means they take tradition over the word. The Pharisees did the same. This same post is called Baptism in Jesus' name. It proves almost every church, including the Baptists do not know how to baptize. See if you can refute it....
                It is true that teaching scripture is unorthodox, but that is not what you are doing here - and I assume elsewhere.
                1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                "It's bigger inside" might work for a TARDIS - it doesn't work for a bronze sea.

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                  No contradiction. You call money good when the love of it is the root of all evil and explains all of America's unjust wars.
                  God often bestows prosperity as a reward. If you read the Bible you couldn't help but notice.

                  And again you are ignoring the peace part of the judgment.

                  According to you God judged America for not re-electing Carter. But that judgment was one of two decades of peace (don't skip that part again) and prosperity.

                  Sounds like He was pleased by our decision if we had been judged for it.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                    I'm glad you found my post. I've been banned a couple of times because I quoted the ecumenical creeds and the moderators were in line with the heretics the creeds condemned. Can you believe it?
                    No.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                      I taught scripture and they said my position was not orthodox.
                      And your faith designation here is "unorthodox".

                      This means they take tradition over the word. The Pharisees did the same.
                      Your legalism and judgmental attitude is FAR more like the Pharisees, brother Dave.

                      This same post is called Baptism in Jesus' name. It proves almost every church, including the Baptists do not know how to baptize. See if you can refute it....
                      I don't suppose you can even begin to see the legalism and judgmentalism in that statement.

                      When somebody accepts Christ as their Savior, agrees to follow Him in obedience, and is baptized by immersion in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Ghost (Matthew 28:18-20), Brother Dave comes running up the aisle screaming "NO, NO, NO --- I have MORE BIBLES than you do, that's NOT how you do it --- that person is NOT SAVED!!!!"






                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                        Did you know Pentecostals have an unusually high rate of mental illness? Keep your books......

                        https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8088740/
                        If true, we're in good company. Festus regarded Paul as insane, and at one point Jesus's family arrived to "take charge" of Him, believing Him "out of His mind."

                        However, the Conclusions of your linked study show it only applies to those who are relatively young and attend church infrequently, and may not apply beyond the Piedmont area.
                        Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                        Beige Federalist.

                        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                        Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

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                        • #57
                          Dave L , it might be interesting to know how you define "Pentecostal." Do you base your definition on denominational affiliation, an individual's personal beliefs, their practices, something else, some combination?
                          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                          Beige Federalist.

                          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                          Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

                          Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                          Justice for Matthew Perna!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                            Dave L , it might be interesting to know how you define "Pentecostal." Do you base your definition on denominational affiliation, an individual's personal beliefs, their practices, something else, some combination?
                            I don't see it as much as I used to, but I used to see "charismatic" and "Pentecostal" inappropriately used interchangeably.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              I don't see it as much as I used to, but I used to see "charismatic" and "Pentecostal" inappropriately used interchangeably.
                              Some people are replacing "Charismatic" with "continuationist" because the former, especially outside the U.S., is often considered synonymous with "Prosperity Gospel."

                              Various people mean different things when they use the terms. Some use "Pentecostal" in a mostly historical sense to refer to denominations and affiliations that arose around the beginning of the 20th-C. Newer groups with similar beliefs were "Neo-Pentecostal," but I have not heard that term for a while. Groups with similar beliefs that arose in mainline denominations around the mid-20th-C were "charismatic."

                              But then some people label based on particular doctrines, mainly nuances regarding glossolalia.
                              Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                              Beige Federalist.

                              "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                              Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                              Proud member of the LGBFJB community.

                              Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                              Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                              Justice for Matthew Perna!

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post

                                Some people are replacing "Charismatic" with "continuationist" because the former, especially outside the U.S., is often considered synonymous with "Prosperity Gospel."

                                Various people mean different things when they use the terms. Some use "Pentecostal" in a mostly historical sense to refer to denominations and affiliations that arose around the beginning of the 20th-C. Newer groups with similar beliefs were "Neo-Pentecostal," but I have not heard that term for a while. Groups with similar beliefs that arose in mainline denominations around the mid-20th-C were "charismatic."

                                But then some people label based on particular doctrines, mainly nuances regarding glossolalia.
                                https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080

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