Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not for Today

[Dave L]

I doubt that any Pentecostal would be in the least discomfited by your claims, but not being a Pentecostal, I couldn't say that with certainty.

Your lame attempt to denigrate other people fails to cover your incompetence when it comes to assessing scripture.

Do you know of any cults you speak out against? You are called to do so.

[NorrinRadd]

Do you know of any cults you speak out against? You are called to do so.

So does that mean I am "called" to speak out against you and your anti-Pentecostal cult?

[rogue06]

Given that you have been unable to substantiate your claims about baptism in the Holy Spirit, it stands to reason that you will be unable to substantiate your equally specious claims about the fruits and gifts of the Holy Spirit.

In every thread of his I've looked at so far, before the first page is filled he flatly contradicts his OP and usually isn't even aware of it.

[Dave L]

In every thread of his I've looked at so far, before the first page is filled he flatly contradicts his OP and usually isn't even aware of it.

Provide an example or be found a liar.

[Dave L]

So does that mean I am "called" to speak out against you and your anti-Pentecostal cult?

So you are guilty of the same thing you accuse me of. Isn't this hypocrisy?

[Dave L]

Further proof Pentecostalism is a false movement. In the scriptures, people who spoke in tongues knew what they were saying. Today's tongue speakers do not. How is this? Paul says knowing what is said edifies. And tongue speakers knew what they were saying and became edified. Today's tongue speakers are not edified because they know not what they say.

[rogue06]

Provide an example or be found a liar.

The most amusing example of you going back and forth contradicting yourself wasn't a thread you started but rather one you sought to derail...

But you specifically told us to "look what happened since Carter" and that

As I see it, Carter was a righteous standard God used to confirm the wickedness of the American people, when they voted him out. Things got bad ever since then leading to where we are now.

You proclaimed that "America is under judgment" as the result of voting Carter out was an act of wickedness for which God judged us, but it appears that God approved since He granted us 20 years of peace and prosperity.

You've also been all over the map when it comes to what followed Carter, when "the wickedness" of the American people were "under judgment."

First, when I pointed out that any judgment must have included blessing us with "one of the strongest economies and periods of prosperity lasting for two decades" you replied

Thank God for that.

But as soon as you realized what you had said we got

You see money, the love of which is the root of all evil, and all evil including war as a reward without penalty.

Which fell apart under its own inanity when it was pointed out that the period also was not just one of prosperity but one of peace.

So the judgment for removing Carter was 20 years of peace and prosperity.

And with that you did a desperate 180 degree spin on a dime proclaiming, after saying "Thank God" for it

What peace? What prosperity?

You later added (after I again reminded you of when) "I doubt if 911 and its repercussions would have happened under Carter," which makes me wonder that if in whatever corner of the Twilight Zone you inhabit, you think that Carter could have even remained president from 1976 to 2001.

[Dave L]

The most amusing example of you going back and forth contradicting yourself wasn't a thread you started but rather one you sought to derail...

No contradiction. You call money good when the love of it is the root of all evil and explains all of America's unjust wars.

[NorrinRadd]

I doubt that any Pentecostal would be in the least discomfited by your claims, but not being a Pentecostal, I couldn't say that with certainty.

Your lame attempt to denigrate other people fails to cover your incompetence when it comes to assessing scripture.

Some would be either angry or sad, in both cases believing he comes close to despising the work of the Spirit and possibly attributing it to demons.

Most would have an attitude more like, "Whatever you say, Punkinhead. Bless your heart."

[Dave L]

Some would be either angry or sad, in both cases believing he comes close to despising the work of the Spirit and possibly attributing it to demons.

Most would have an attitude more like, "Whatever you say, Punkinhead. Bless your heart."

Do you know that American Pentecostalism came from a mixture of voodoo tongues with Wesly Methodism?

https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080

[NorrinRadd]

So you are guilty of the same thing you accuse me of. Isn't this hypocrisy?

It's a question. Unless I misunderstood something, you believe Pentecostalism is a cult. You asserted we -- or at least the one specific person you addressed -- are/is called to speak out against cults. In my view, the intensity of your anti-Pentecostalism is cultic. Since that is my belief, do you believe I am therefore "called" to speak out against you?

[Dave L]

It's a question. Unless I misunderstood something, you believe Pentecostalism is a cult. You asserted we -- or at least the one specific person you addressed -- are/is called to speak out against cults. In my view, the intensity of your anti-Pentecostalism is cultic. Since that is my belief, do you believe I am therefore "called" to speak out against you?

Check its source and tell me it isn't a cult. https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080

[NorrinRadd]

Do you know that American Pentecostalism came from a mixture of voodoo tongues with Wesly Methodism?

https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080

Thanks for that.

[NorrinRadd]

Check its source and tell me it isn't a cult. https://www.amazon.com/Pagan-Penteco.../dp/1500858080

No, I'll stick with books by reputable Biblical scholars and exegetes. I can recommend a few if you like.

[Dave L]

Thanks for that.

According to Curtis Edwards, Pagan Pentecostalism: Its Roots: Sex, Sin & Slavery, Voodoo was the religion of African slaves. And even before slavery they would voodoo any religion they took part in. They had voodoo Catholicism for the main part.

The after coming to Haitian and American shores, they voodooed whatever religion they encountered. Voodoo Methodism and voodoo Baptist churches, were common in Louisiana.

Wm. Seymour tried to voodoo the Church of God (Anderson) but got expelled. Shortly thereafter, he voodooed his Wesley Methodism at Azusa street in Los Angeles. He thought voodoo tongues were the same as Bible tongues. This became the Assemblies of God denomination with the Oneness United Pentecostal Church splitting off from them over their antitrinitarian views.

Curtis Edwards

Edwards, Curtis. Pagan Pentecostalism: Its Roots: Sex, Sin & Slavery . Kindle Edition.

Also Speaking in Tongues: Glossalalia and Stress Reduction

Mental aillness among Pentecostals. https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8088740/