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Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not for Today

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  • Why the Baptism in the Holy Spirit is not for Today

    Understanding the Baptism in the Holy Spirit in Acts is difficult. But the keys are the Ethiopian Eunuch Acts 8:27 and the Samarians Acts 8:5. In essence, all had the Holy Spirit. Indeed, faith is a fruit of the Holy Spirit Galatians 5:22. But only the Samarians had the Baptism in the Holy Spirit.

    These received the gift of the Holy Spirit according to Peter in Acts 2:38 just as we do today. But the Samarians also received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit through the apostle’s hands which the Eunuch did not.

    On Pentecost God baptized the 12 Apostles with the Holy Spirit who also spoke in tongues. According to Acts 2:38 the eunuch and the Samarians had the gift of the Holy Spirit through Philip’s preaching. But Philip could not provide the baptism of the Holy Spirit for either. Acts reveals that beyond the two outpourings, only the Apostles through the laying on of their hands could baptize people in the Holy Spirit. It was the proof of apostleship Hebrews 2:4.

    When the Apostles visited the Samarian converts, they laid their hands on them baptizing them in the Holy Spirit. But this was not the case with the Eunuch. It only says he went on his way rejoicing after Philip baptized him in water.

    So the Samarians and the Eunuch received the gift of the Holy Spirit through Philip’s preaching. But only the Samarians received the baptism with the Holy Spirit through the Apostles’ hands.

    About 7 years later, God poured out the Holy Spirit on the gentiles at Cornelius’ house which resulted in their speaking in tongues just as the Apostles did at Pentecost.

    Scripture doesn’t mention the 3000 converts on the day of Pentecost as baptized with the Holy Spirit. Nor the 5,000 converts days later. But we might assume those whom the Apostles baptized in water also received the baptism with the Holy Spirit through their hands. But anyone baptized by someone other than an apostle would have been like the Eunuch who received only the gift of the Holy Spirit.

    Later, Paul preached to the disciples at Ephesus Acts 19:1. These like the Eunuch received the gift of the Holy Spirit. But they also received the Baptism of the Holy Spirit through the apostle’s hands the same way the Samarians did.

    The Baptism with the Holy Spirit provided God’s word through tongues and prophecy until the New Testament canon became complete. How do we know this? Paul says scripture thoroughly equips us 2 Timothy 3:17. Paul said tongues and prophecy provided only partial knowledge 1 Corinthians 13:9. So it makes sense scripture replaced them when completed.

    Beyond Acts, the Corinthians no doubt received the Baptism in the Holy Spirit through Paul’s hands. And Paul mentioned he wanted to visit the Romans to give spiritual gifts also to them Romans 1:11. Paul mentions laying his hands on Timothy who also received a gift 2 Timothy 1:6.

    So we can say scripture directly supports the Baptism of the Holy Spirit for those ministered to by an apostle. That it was not for all. The Baptism with the Holy Spirit passed into history with the rest of the apostles Hebrews 2:4 because only they provided it as a sign of their authority. And that scripture replaced the fragmentary gifts of tongues and prophecy with the completed revelation. And we can confidently say believers from Pentecost on have the gift of Holy Spirit according to Acts 2:38, but not the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. Only for the apostle’s and those they laid their hands on.

    The fullness of the Holy Spirit

    All believers have the Holy Spirit and can attain the fullness through repentance. The les we walk in the flesh the more we walk in the Spirit. And it begins in the thought and imagination realm. Paul says:

    “Casting down imaginations, and every high thing that exalteth itself against the knowledge of God, and bringing into captivity every thought to the obedience of Christ;” (2 Corinthians 10:5) (KJV 1900)

    We censor every impure thought or imagination. And change the channel in our thinking on any thought that does not conform to obedience to Christ.

    And we replace it with: “Finally, brethren, whatsoever things are true, whatsoever things are honest, whatsoever things are just, whatsoever things are pure, whatsoever things are lovely, whatsoever things are of good report; if there be any virtue, and if there be any praise, think on these things.” (Philippians 4:8)

    Knowing Jesus is God and God is love. Jesus is the Lord of our lives when love rules our thoughts and actions.

  • #2
    Originally posted by Dave L View Post
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    So we can say scripture directly supports the Baptism of the Holy Spirit for those ministered to by an apostle. That it was not for all. The Baptism with the Holy Spirit passed into history with the rest of the apostles Hebrews 2:4 because only they provided it as a sign of their authority. And that scripture replaced the fragmentary gifts of tongues and prophecy with the completed revelation. And we can confidently say believers from Pentecost on have the gift of Holy Spirit according to Acts 2:38, but not the Baptism with the Holy Spirit. Only for the apostle’s and those they laid their hands on.
    Only once does the record speak of baptism in the Holy Spirit actually occurring - and that speaking of the event as occurring in the past (Acts 11:16). It is the only explicit link between "baptism in the Holy Spirit" and "the Holy Spirit falling on a person," and establishes that the "falling on" is baptism. It is direct confirmation that a person is baptised into the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit falls on a person. Every occurrence otherwise speaks of the Holy Spirit falling on people, as at Acts 10:44-47, which establishes "the Holy Spirit falling on a person" and "the person receiving the Holy Spirit" as interchangeable terms.

    "Baptism in the Holy Spirit," "the Holy Spirit falling on a person," and "a person receiving the Holy Spirit" all refer to the same process: they all mean the same thing.
    Last edited by tabibito; 01-09-2022, 06:16 PM.
    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
    Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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    "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

    "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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    • #3
      Originally posted by tabibito View Post

      Only once does the record speak of baptism in the Holy Spirit actually occurring - and that speaking of the event as occurring in the past (Acts 11:16). It is the only explicit link between "baptism in the Holy Spirit" and "the Holy Spirit falling on a person," and establishes that the "falling on" is baptism. It is direct confirmation that a person is baptised into the Holy Spirit when the Holy Spirit falls on a person. Every occurrence otherwise speaks of the Holy Spirit falling on people, as at Acts 10:44-47, which establishes "the Holy Spirit falling on a person" and "the person receiving the Holy Spirit" as interchangeable terms.

      "Baptism in the Holy Spirit," "the Holy Spirit falling on a person," and "a person receiving the Holy Spirit" all refer to the same process: they all mean the same thing.
      Wrong. The Apostles and Cornelius received the Baptism. Also, those the Apostles laid hands on. Everyone else received the Holy Spirit, just as believers today. The Baptism was for the Apostles just as the miracles were for Moses. Pentecostalism today is fraudulent and misleading.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

        Wrong. The Apostles and Cornelius received the Baptism. Also, those the Apostles laid hands on. Everyone else received the Holy Spirit, just as believers today. The Baptism was for the Apostles just as the miracles were for Moses. Pentecostalism today is fraudulent and misleading.
        I have stated the facts. That you don't like them does not make them wrong. The cross connections were also provided, for the benefit of people who might want to check that what I have stated is indeed fact.
        Last edited by tabibito; 01-10-2022, 05:09 AM.
        1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
        Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
        .
        "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

        "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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        • #5
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post

          I have stated the facts. That you don't like them does not make them wrong.
          You are wrong because of a lack of careful study. If you listen to me, I walk you through the true understanding of Acts and the Baptism.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Dave L View Post

            You are wrong because of a lack of careful study. If you listen to me, I walk you through the true understanding of Acts and the Baptism.
            OK - I would listen to you if you addressed the issues that I raised and successfully refuted them. Otherwise, I will continue to dismiss your comments.

            So - demonstrate that Baptism in the Holy Spirit, receiving the Holy Spirit, and having the Holy Spirit fall on a person are NOT just different ways to describe the same thing.
            1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
            Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
            .
            "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

            "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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            • #7
              Originally posted by tabibito View Post

              OK - I would listen to you if you addressed the issues that I raised and successfully refuted them. Otherwise, I will continue to dismiss your comments.

              So - demonstrate that Baptism in the Holy Spirit, receiving the Holy Spirit, and having the Holy Spirit fall on a person are NOT just different ways to describe the same thing.
              If you study the fruits of the Baptism = Signs and wonders for the Apostles and those they lay hands on, also Cornelius the gentile. And the fruits of receiving the Holy Spirit (not the baptism) on every believer, they did not perform the signs of an apostle = no gifts or tongues. They are two distinct operations of the Holy Spirit.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                If you study the fruits of the Baptism = Signs and wonders for the Apostles and those they lay hands on, also Cornelius the gentile. And the fruits of receiving the Holy Spirit (not the baptism) on every believer, they did not perform the signs of an apostle = no gifts or tongues. They are two distinct operations of the Holy Spirit.
                Thank you for demonstrating that you cannot address the issue.
                1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                .
                "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                  Thank you for demonstrating that you cannot address the issue.
                  Perhaps you cannot see it, or do not want to see it? Do you speak in tongues?

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                    Perhaps you cannot see it, or do not want to see it? Do you speak in tongues?
                    Whatever deficiencies I might have has no bearing on whether you can substantiate your claims.
                    1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                    Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                    .
                    "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                    "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                      Perhaps you cannot see it, or do not want to see it? Do you speak in tongues?
                      Would the speaking in tongues help to understand your gibberish?

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by tabibito View Post

                        Whatever deficiencies I might have has no bearing on whether you can substantiate your claims.
                        Do you speak in tongues? This will explain a lot if you do.

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                        • #13
                          Given that you have been unable to substantiate your claims about baptism in the Holy Spirit, it stands to reason that you will be unable to substantiate your equally specious claims about the fruits and gifts of the Holy Spirit.
                          1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                          Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                          .
                          "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                          "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by tabibito View Post
                            Given that you have been unable to substantiate your claims about baptism in the Holy Spirit, it stands to reason that you will be unable to substantiate your equally specious claims about the fruits and gifts of the Holy Spirit.
                            I think my post creates problems for Pentecostals. Especially the preachers. Because it proves they are a farce and false teachers. So if you speak in tongues, I sympathize with you in being confronted with the facts.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Dave L View Post

                              I think my post creates problems for Pentecostals. Especially the preachers. Because it proves they are a farce and false teachers. So if you speak in tongues, I sympathize with you in being confronted with the facts.
                              I doubt that any Pentecostal would be in the least discomfited by your claims, but not being a Pentecostal, I couldn't say that with certainty.

                              Your lame attempt to denigrate other people fails to cover your incompetence when it comes to assessing scripture.
                              1Cor 15:34 εκνηψατε δικαιως και μη αμαρτανετε αγνωσιαν γαρ θεου τινες εχουσιν προς εντροπην υμιν λεγω
                              Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
                              "when the church no longer teaches its people why they believe what they believe, the world will often step in and fill in the gaps." Ryan Danker

                              "The synoptic gospels claim that Jesus was crucified on the 15th day of Nisan and buried on the 14th day of Nisan:" Majority Consensus

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