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Baptism in Jesus’ name, Trinitarian style.

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  • #46
    Originally posted by Dave L View Post

    What you are missing is, Jesus Christ is the name of the trinity. The Apostles got it right. I can prove this if needed from the Old Testament.
    If that is the case why didn't Jesus just tell them to baptize in his name instead of the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

    Jesus is the Son's personal name. Not the "name of the Trinity" - if any name covers all three persons of the Trinity it would be the Lord's name in the OT, YHWH, or Jehovah.

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    • #47
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post

      If that is the case why didn't Jesus just tell them to baptize in his name instead of the name of the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit.

      Jesus is the Son's personal name. Not the "name of the Trinity" - if any name covers all three persons of the Trinity it would be the Lord's name in the OT, YHWH, or Jehovah.
      In the OT YHWH is the Lord. In the Greek NT Jesus is the Lord. The fulness of the Godhead dwells in him bodily. You cannot say Jesus is the Lord apart from knowing this.

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      • #48
        Originally posted by Dave L View Post

        In the OT YHWH is the Lord. In the Greek NT Jesus is the Lord. The fulness of the Godhead dwells in him bodily. You cannot say Jesus is the Lord apart from knowing this.
        "Jesus" was the Son's personal name, like yours is David. It mean's "YHWH Saves" - it only names the Son, not the Holy Spirit or the Father. The fullness of the Godhead dwells in each of the persons of the Trinity, including the Father and the Holy Spirit. In the OT the name of God, YHWH referred to the entire Godhead, the Trinity, since at that time it was not revealed that there were three persons in the Godhead. Therefore if any name refers to the entire trinity, it would be YHWH. And the capitalized word "LORD" in the OT was actually a replacement for YHWH in the Hebrew. "Lord" in the New Testament when referring to Jesus is the translation of the word "Adonai"

        "Jesus" in the New Testament is just a personal name, Iēsous in greek.In Hebrew or Aramaic it would Yeshua, which is basically the same root we get the name Joshua from. Jesus is basically the modern English version of Yeshua. Were you baptized in the name of Yeshua? If not you were not baptized in the correct name, eh?

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        • #49
          Originally posted by Dave L View Post

          What you are missing is, Jesus Christ is the name of the trinity. The Apostles got it right. I can prove this if needed from the Old Testament.
          "Christ" is his title, Jesus is His name. It's more proper to say "Jesus the Christ", but more practical to say Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

            "Christ" is his title, Jesus is His name. It's more proper to say "Jesus the Christ", but more practical to say Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ.
            and "Christ" is the Greek word for "Messiah" I believe.

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            • #51
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post

              and "Christ" is the Greek word for "Messiah" I believe.
              Yes, but not like Obama.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by Dave L View Post
                What you are missing is, Jesus Christ is the name of the trinity. The Apostles got it right. I can prove this if needed from the Old Testament.
                Um... Jesus was the name given to Him at birth. Christ is a descriptive title meaning Messiah. Jesus Christ is not the name of the Trinity.

                I'm always still in trouble again

                "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                  Yes, but not like Obama.
                  The much vaunted Obamessiah.

                  I'm always still in trouble again

                  "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                  "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                  "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Um... Jesus was the name given to Him at birth. Christ is a descriptive title meaning Messiah. Jesus Christ is not the name of the Trinity.
                    I'm really curious how he got such a basic concept so wrong. I'm sure he'll explain that, cause he has WAY more Bibles than you do.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                      I'm really curious how he got such a basic concept so wrong. I'm sure he'll explain that, cause he has WAY more Bibles than you do.
                      It almost sounds like he's advocating a form of moralism.

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post

                        and "Christ" is the Greek word for "Messiah" I believe.
                        And Messiah is the Hebrew word for anointed. The Hebrew and the Greek are equivalent words so what we have is a title for Jesus - Jesus the anointed.

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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by alaskazimm View Post

                          It almost sounds like he's advocating a form of moralism.
                          Did you mean modalism? Like if a superhero had three separate secret identities?
                          If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post

                            Did you mean modalism? Like if a superhero had three separate secret identities?
                            Yes, that is what I meant to write.

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                            • #59
                              Originally posted by alaskazimm View Post

                              And Messiah is the Hebrew word for anointed. The Hebrew and the Greek are equivalent words so what we have is a title for Jesus - Jesus the anointed.
                              !!!

                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

                              "Christ" is his title, Jesus is His name. It's more proper to say "Jesus the Christ", but more practical to say Christ Jesus or Jesus Christ.
                              I laughed when there was a campaign not to call Smokey the Bear by that name, because we don't say Santa the Claus or Easter the Bunny.

                              But, Jesus Christ or Jesus the Christ - "Christ" is still His title, not His name.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                                I laughed when there was a campaign not to call Smokey the Bear by that name, because we don't say Santa the Claus or Easter the Bunny .
                                Actually, his correct name is Smokey Bear. That title is protected under Smokey Bear Act of 1952 (16 U.S.C. 580 (p-2). The misquoted phrase "Smokey the Bear" is a result of the Mandela effect.
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