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1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
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Scripture before Tradition:
but that won't prevent others from
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOur Church is in the process of establishing an Elder group, in addition, and along side of, our deacons.
Recently, we had a lady join our church who appears to be very well grounded in the Word, and just seems to ooze wisdom.
She asked me, Sunday Morning between Sunday School and Church, if we were moving toward a 9Marks model.
I had never even heard of 9Marks, so I Googled it real quick (https://www.9marks.org/), and discovered it's a THING.
Later, I started drilling down on what 9Marks is all about, and it's nothing at all scary, and has a lot of good rationale behind it.
Anybody know anything about this?
In view of: https://www.9marks.org/about/the-nine-marks/ - yes, in some ways, but not in others.Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 10-04-2021, 06:31 PM.
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Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View PostIs it even remotely associated with the four marks of the Church ?
In view of: https://www.9marks.org/about/the-nine-marks/ - yes, in some ways, but not in others.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
Glad you checked that out, because I wasn't familiar with 9Marks, let alone four marks.
That's more of an observation than a critique because at the end of the day what else are we supposed to do in our effort to become Biblical (and who am I anyway)? Tradition also fails us.
Come Lord Jesus, and come quickly!
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Originally posted by nico View Post
I think the Greek & Roman churches are glaring. Reformation initiatives are endless and always seem to restart with a modern pastoral figure(s)...as if saying "now we got it right". When this kind of thing happens it becomes difficult to argue against church tradition, councils, fathers, etc. Rome had a point. Do we really know better than thousands of years of church history that codified these issues in church tradition? Don't mean to derail anything there, but who can keep up with all this? 100 Theses, 9 marks, 4 marks...
That's more of an observation than a critique because at the end of the day what else are we supposed to do in our effort to become Biblical (and who am I anyway)? Tradition also fails us.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostBecoming Biblical without Tradition is something of a lost cause
I can accept this but with qualification.
The Bible was never intended to be "The Compleat Guide to Christianity"; the gospels are incomplete (self-admittedly, in the case of John), and the epistles were generally written to address specific problems.
2 Tim 3:16-17
All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.
I think Tradition, as you capitalize here, has more value that Protestants tend to think. But to undermine the scriptures with the notion of incompleteness is precisely why it makes it difficult for protestants to accept "Tradition" as you see it. Anyway, your point is taken, and I'm probably derailing this.
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