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  • Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
    This week, one of my newsletters introduced The American Reformer as a new group trying to help Protestants deal with the world.

    The initial postings look good but do we really need another set of Christian elites talking to other elites? It just strikes me that all these groups have minimal impact on the person in the pew. Awhile back I use to look at Gospel Coalition until the articles all seemed non-applicable to what I was experiencing.

    Is Christianity in America helped by all these groups (9 Marks, American Reformer, Gospel Coalition, etc.)?

    You can check American Reformer out if you want. https://americanreformer.org/
    OK - checked the site - looked up the theology link - annnnnd
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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Our Church is in the process of establishing an Elder group, in addition, and along side of, our deacons.

      Recently, we had a lady join our church who appears to be very well grounded in the Word, and just seems to ooze wisdom.

      She asked me, Sunday Morning between Sunday School and Church, if we were moving toward a 9Marks model.

      I had never even heard of 9Marks, so I Googled it real quick (https://www.9marks.org/), and discovered it's a THING.

      Later, I started drilling down on what 9Marks is all about, and it's nothing at all scary, and has a lot of good rationale behind it.

      Anybody know anything about this?
      Is it even remotely associated with the four marks of the Church ?

      In view of: https://www.9marks.org/about/the-nine-marks/ - yes, in some ways, but not in others.
      Last edited by Rushing Jaws; 10-04-2021, 06:31 PM.

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      • Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
        Is it even remotely associated with the four marks of the Church ?

        In view of: https://www.9marks.org/about/the-nine-marks/ - yes, in some ways, but not in others.
        Glad you checked that out, because I wasn't familiar with 9Marks, let alone four marks.
        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post

          Glad you checked that out, because I wasn't familiar with 9Marks, let alone four marks.
          I think the Greek & Roman churches are glaring. Reformation initiatives are endless and always seem to restart with a modern pastoral figure(s)...as if saying "now we got it right". When this kind of thing happens it becomes difficult to argue against church tradition, councils, fathers, etc. Rome had a point. Do we really know better than thousands of years of church history that codified these issues in church tradition? Don't mean to derail anything there, but who can keep up with all this? 100 Theses, 9 marks, 4 marks...

          That's more of an observation than a critique because at the end of the day what else are we supposed to do in our effort to become Biblical (and who am I anyway)? Tradition also fails us.

          Come Lord Jesus, and come quickly!

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          • Originally posted by nico View Post

            I think the Greek & Roman churches are glaring. Reformation initiatives are endless and always seem to restart with a modern pastoral figure(s)...as if saying "now we got it right". When this kind of thing happens it becomes difficult to argue against church tradition, councils, fathers, etc. Rome had a point. Do we really know better than thousands of years of church history that codified these issues in church tradition? Don't mean to derail anything there, but who can keep up with all this? 100 Theses, 9 marks, 4 marks...

            That's more of an observation than a critique because at the end of the day what else are we supposed to do in our effort to become Biblical (and who am I anyway)? Tradition also fails us.

            Come Lord Jesus, and come quickly!
            Becoming Biblical without Tradition is something of a lost cause. The Bible was never intended to be "The Compleat Guide to Christianity"; the gospels are incomplete (self-admittedly, in the case of John), and the epistles were generally written to address specific problems.
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            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
              Becoming Biblical without Tradition is something of a lost cause
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              I can accept this but with qualification.

              The Bible was never intended to be "The Compleat Guide to Christianity"; the gospels are incomplete (self-admittedly, in the case of John), and the epistles were generally written to address specific problems.
              I cannot accept this though.

              2 Tim 3:16-17
              All Scripture is breathed out by God and profitable for teaching, for reproof, for correction, and for training in righteousness, that the man of God may be complete, equipped for every good work.

              I think Tradition, as you capitalize here, has more value that Protestants tend to think. But to undermine the scriptures with the notion of incompleteness is precisely why it makes it difficult for protestants to accept "Tradition" as you see it. Anyway, your point is taken, and I'm probably derailing this.

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