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    PCUSA loses another big one

    4,000 member church pays $2,000 per member for amicable separation from the PCUSA:

    http://www.ministrymatters.com/all/a...to-leave-pcusa
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    I know a pastor in Pennsylvania whose church is currently looking for a way out as well.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      I know that RTT's Church is in the process of leaving.
      "If you can ever make any major religion look absolutely ludicrous, chances are you haven't understood it"
      -Ravi Zacharias, The New Age: A foreign bird with a local walk

      Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
      1 Corinthians 16:13

      "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
      -Ben Witherington III

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      • #4
        I read up on it a little but why exactly are people leaving PCUSA?
        "Kahahaha! Let's get lunatic!"-Add LP
        "And the Devil did grin, for his darling sin is pride that apes humility"-Samuel Taylor Coleridge
        Oh ye of little fiber. Do you not know what I've done for you? You will obey. ~Cerealman for Prez.

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
          I read up on it a little but why exactly are people leaving PCUSA?
          Doctrinal differences as I understand it. the PCUSA as a whole is embracing very much more liberal ideologies and theologies that don't sit well with the more conservative branches of it.
          "If you can ever make any major religion look absolutely ludicrous, chances are you haven't understood it"
          -Ravi Zacharias, The New Age: A foreign bird with a local walk

          Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
          1 Corinthians 16:13

          "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
          -Ben Witherington III

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          • #6
            My general impression from afar has been that the biggest issue of all is the ordination of clergy involved in same-sex relationships.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #7
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              My general impression from afar has been that the biggest issue of all is the ordination of clergy involved in same-sex relationships.
              Interestingly, in the article, the church currently in question cites "Our presbytery passed a resolution supporting divestment from Israel" as one of their noteworthy grievances.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by RBerman View Post
                4,000 member church pays $2,000 per member for amicable separation from the PCUSA:

                http://www.ministrymatters.com/all/a...to-leave-pcusa
                Why such a big sum of money?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                  Why such a big sum of money?
                  $8 million......most of that I'm guessing will be the building and assets.
                  "If you can ever make any major religion look absolutely ludicrous, chances are you haven't understood it"
                  -Ravi Zacharias, The New Age: A foreign bird with a local walk

                  Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
                  1 Corinthians 16:13

                  "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
                  -Ben Witherington III

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                  • #10
                    I'm not totally unsympathetic to divestment campaigns in general (in college, I was involved in some activism to get the university to divest from Sudan), but Israel hardly seems to be the most deserving offender out there. Speculating what the true agenda is there would be improper on my part.
                    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                      Why such a big sum of money?
                      The rule in that demonination is that even though the church's facilities are paid for with money from the local church, nevertheless ownership of the facilities is held by the denomination, so that if the church leaves the denomination, it must leave its facilities behind. In practice, that's been problematical to enforce. The denomination really doesn't want a huge, empty building, potentially with a huge loan payment attached to it. What it really wants is (1) control over the member churches, and failing that, (2) money for its other ventures. But what it gets is (1) bad blood when people feel forced to stay for reasons other than Christian fellowship, and (2) bad press when denominational ownership of local church assets is asserted on dubious moral and legal grounds.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        My general impression from afar has been that the biggest issue of all is the ordination of clergy involved in same-sex relationships.
                        As a former PCUSAer, the issue you site is just the most recent of a long string of issues that repeatedly split the church. Suggest some research as the history (starting in the 60's according to my parents with Angela Davis) is much to long for a posting here.

                        My take: the central office got more and more liberal and shoved positions down on the local churches which they couldn't take.
                        "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

                        "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by RBerman View Post
                          4,000 member church pays $2,000 per member for amicable separation from the PCUSA:

                          http://www.ministrymatters.com/all/a...to-leave-pcusa
                          Great! This is an answer to prayer. MPPC has been trying to leave the PCUSA for a while now. I understand that they thought they had an agreement a few months ago, but the presbytery balked and raised the price tag.

                          P.S. this is probably one of the wealthiest congregations in the US, and is sitting on some very expensive real estate.
                          "Science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind." – Albert Einstein

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Kbertsche View Post
                            Great! This is an answer to prayer. MPPC has been trying to leave the PCUSA for a while now. I understand that they thought they had an agreement a few months ago, but the presbytery balked and raised the price tag. P.S. this is probably one of the wealthiest congregations in the US, and is sitting on some very expensive real estate.
                            Too bad Michael J. Fox couldn't have shown up in a Delorean back in the early 1970s, when there was a window of opportunity to leave the denomination without such payments. He could have talked to them about today

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