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  • #31
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Perhaps a mixture of both. If the Seven Day Adventist historian LeRoy Edwin Froom is correct referring to the pope as the Antichrist was something that had been going on for centuries in central Europe. He cites, for instance, the Prince-Archbishop of Salzburg, Austria Eberhard II von Truchsees as saying at a synod of bishops held at Regensburg, Germany around 1240 that the people of his day were "accustomed" to calling the pope Antichrist.

    And I think many of the Catholics indeed thought that the Reformers were evidence of the coming of the End Times in that in their view they were sundering the body of Christ.
    Can you provide any names of Catholics contemporary to Luther or the Counter-reformation who referred to Luther and the other reformers as evidence of an imminent apocalypse? I am not saying you're wrong, but I have never heard of this and would like to learn more if it represents a substantial number of people who advocated this view.
    βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
    ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.

    אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃

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    • #32
      Originally posted by robrecht View Post
      Can you provide any names of Catholics contemporary to Luther or the Counter-reformation who referred to Luther and the other reformers as evidence of an imminent apocalypse? I am not saying you're wrong, but I have never heard of this and would like to learn more if it represents a substantial number of people who advocated this view.
      Was going from memory but have a book or two in storage that brings up what was being said by both sides.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        I'm sorry but I don't understand what you're saying here...
        Oh I was basically just pointing out that I think many believers in our modern society tend to reject the more extreme commands of the Bible in favor of a therapeutic view of God simply because they perceive that God doesn't actually involve himself in a tangible, objective manner. They play it safe, in other words - "I believe, naturally". They therefore categorize the believers who actively try and hear the voice of God and pursue the gift of miracles while evangelizing everywhere they go as "nutbars".

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
          Oh I was basically just pointing out that I think many believers in our modern society tend to reject the more extreme commands of the Bible in favor of a therapeutic view of God simply because they perceive that God doesn't actually involve himself in a tangible, objective manner. They play it safe, in other words - "I believe, naturally". They therefore categorize the believers who actively try and hear the voice of God and pursue the gift of miracles while evangelizing everywhere they go as "nutbars".
          Ah, okay.
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