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  • #16
    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    That's where I think the mistake starts. We try to attract kids with events and fun things - but while those have their place, that's not why we have a youth program - or ANY program. It gets to be all about numbers and we eventually lose even that.

    Part of it to my mind is that we underestimate the kids. We assume they have no depth - so we never probe for it. Teens have weak to no relational ability outside their peer group (it's less we can't relate than they can't) so if you aren't looking, you aren't going to find that depth. We just assume they are all wading pools when in fact, a good many are already over their heads in the deep end. Event oriented programs don't give them the chance to grow.
    Teens today tend to get little opportunity to relate outside their peer group. They're segregated by age at school, often at church, and often at extracurricular activities as well. And families tend to be small these days, so they don't get much experience there, either.
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    • #17
      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
      Teens today tend to get little opportunity to relate outside their peer group. They're segregated by age at school, often at church, and often at extracurricular activities as well. And families tend to be small these days, so they don't get much experience there, either.
      Exactly!
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      • #18
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        Teens today tend to get little opportunity to relate outside their peer group. They're segregated by age at school, often at church, and often at extracurricular activities as well. And families tend to be small these days, so they don't get much experience there, either.
        Right. The tendency to segregate by age for cell groups/bible study groups/whatever you call it is a mistake (barring young children).

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Paprika View Post
          Right. The tendency to segregate by age for cell groups/bible study groups/whatever you call it is a mistake (barring young children).
          Are you saying we should be grouped up with the adults?
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
            Are you saying we should be grouped up with the adults?
            Yes.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by Paprika View Post
              Yes.
              Can you convince me why I shouldn't reject that idea?
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              • #22
                Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
                Can you convince me why I shouldn't reject that idea?
                Well, I can't say for sure.

                What could possibly be gained from breaking out of artificial age-segregated groups that tend to have shallow adolescent perspectives and peer-pressure enforced adolescent tendencies, practices, and values? What benefits could accrue from regular interaction with older people who have much more knowledge, wisdom and experience, or with children who possess curiosity and near-boundless energy? What good could possibly result from having one's perspectives broadened in such a manner?

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
                  Can you convince me why I shouldn't reject that idea?
                  Can you convince me why breaking it up into age groups was a good idea in the first place?

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                  • #24
                    Considering that adult Sunday School lessons aren't any deeper or harder to understand than the ones in the youth group...
                    Maybe it should be segregated on deepness level! Like one class for milk, and another class for meat. And some classes go deeper than others! Too complicated?
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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                      Considering that adult Sunday School lessons aren't any deeper or harder to understand than the ones in the youth group...
                      Maybe it should be segregated on deepness level! Like one class for milk, and another class for meat. And some classes go deeper than others! Too complicated?
                      I'm a both/and sort of girl. Sunday School should accommodate the 'devotional' side but should also BE A SCHOOL. Grouping by level rather than age makes better sense. Some age grouping for specific reasons, sure (toddlers in the nursery rather than trying to sit through two hours of Sunday School and church, yep; toddlers never allowed in church NO) but stop artificially segregating by age as if people are incapable of getting along with others of different ages.
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                        Can you convince me why breaking it up into age groups was a good idea in the first place?
                        Having adults around won't stop kids from not caring especially if they aren't interested in learning in the first place.
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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                          Well, I can't say for sure.

                          What could possibly be gained from breaking out of artificial age-segregated groups that tend to have shallow adolescent perspectives and peer-pressure enforced adolescent tendencies, practices, and values? What benefits could accrue from regular interaction with older people who have much more knowledge, wisdom and experience, or with children who possess curiosity and near-boundless energy? What good could possibly result from having one's perspectives broadened in such a manner?
                          Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                          Considering that adult Sunday School lessons aren't any deeper or harder to understand than the ones in the youth group...
                          By children I'm guessing you mean teenagers?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
                            Having adults around won't stop kids from not caring especially if they aren't interested in learning in the first place.
                            If one is not interested in learning, there's not much that can be done for the person. Pandering to those who just want to be entertained by hosting games instead of learning sessions doesn't help them, and only hurts those who are interested in learning.
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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              If one is not interested in learning, there's not much that can be done for the person. Pandering to those who just want to be entertained by hosting games instead of learning sessions doesn't help them, and only hurts those who are interested in learning.
                              Like what bookworm said adult sessions aren't that deep either,so how will grouping us with the adults fix the problem?
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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
                                By children I'm guessing you mean teenagers?
                                Children that are slightly younger.

                                Originally posted by Cerealman View Post
                                Like what bookworm said adult sessions aren't that deep either,so how will grouping us with the adults fix the problem?
                                As many others have noted the anti-intellectual problem tends to pervade the entire church. The solution for that therefore must lie in significantly altering the attitudes of the leadership.

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