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    Bill Johnson of Bethel (Redding) a well known Charismatic who left the Assembly of God a few years ago and who teaches and sponsors a rather extreme form of charismatic theology, has rebuked from the pulpit a former student named Jason Westerfield who travels world wide and from what I know of him he has claimed gold dust miracles, blessing children with photographic memories, and likes to talk about aliens. Bill Johnson claimed that Jason Westerfield carried a "demonic impartation" and had a spirit of deceit iirc.

    Following the name drop he quoted 1 John 1:6.

    Later he taught about "more at any cost." Bringing up Torronto, Pensacola, and his own personal mystic experiences, and further explained "more at any cost within Biblical understanding" or something close to that.

    He mentioned cults.

    Long story short, a leader on the fringe has cut ties (including financial ties) with an someone most would probably call a heretic.

    The full sermon is available through iTunes it's from April 26.

    I really don't even know what to say about this. (Maybe Ecclesiology is better?)

    Edit: If you know about this, you probably know more than I do about this, please share.
    Last edited by Pentecost; 05-05-2015, 08:58 PM.
    Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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    Originally posted by Pentecost View Post

    Long story short, a leader on the fringe has cut ties (including financial ties) with an someone most would probably call a heretic.
    Sounds like pot and kettle.

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    • #3
      Originally posted by Paprika View Post
      Sounds like pot and kettle.
      I'm not entirely sure. Johnson is someone I'd hesitantly support, whereas Westerfield is apparently wacko enough that he's been disassociated. I find it encouraging that a seperation is being made, and hopefully its the first of many throughout the charismatic culture.
      Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
        I'm not entirely sure. Johnson is someone I'd hesitantly support, whereas Westerfield is apparently wacko enough that he's been disassociated. I find it encouraging that a seperation is being made, and hopefully its the first of many throughout the charismatic culture.
        I'm hoping there is a general disassociation with Todd Bentley....although I haven't heard much of him lately.
        "If you can ever make any major religion look absolutely ludicrous, chances are you haven't understood it"
        -Ravi Zacharias, The New Age: A foreign bird with a local walk

        Be watchful, stand firm in the faith, act like men, be strong.
        1 Corinthians 16:13

        "...he [Doherty] is no historian and he is not even conversant with the historical discussions of the very matters he wants to pontificate on."
        -Ben Witherington III

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Raphael View Post
          I'm hoping there is a general disassociation with Todd Bentley....although I haven't heard much of him lately.
          The last I heard he still does preaching and "healing" but on a much smaller scale. I saw a video of a service he did and one guy started to call him out loudly and was escorted out of the building. Not really the best way to handle someone like Bentley, IMO.
          "Concentrate on what you have to do. Fix your eyes on it. Remind yourself that your task is to be a good human being; remind yourself what nature demands of people. Then do it, without hesitation, and speak the truth as you see it. But with kindness. With humility. Without hypocrisy."
          -Marcus Aurelius

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
            I'm not entirely sure. Johnson is someone I'd hesitantly support, whereas Westerfield is apparently wacko enough that he's been disassociated.
            So in a field of many wackos, one lesser wacko has publicly declared dissociation from a greater wacko.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Paprika View Post
              So in a field of many wackos, one lesser wacko has publicly declared dissociation from a greater wacko.
              Bill Johnson is famous to charismatics (at least in the circles I go through) like maybe Rob Bell for liberals, or maybe John MacArthur to Calvinists, not everything he says is assumed to be true, but we test everything and hold fast to what is good, and take him at his word. He is certainly... Extreme but if others follow his lead this could lead to an obvious seperation between sound teachers, and prosperity/new age/name it claim it charlatans who should be held accountable at least so their congregations learn of their deception.
              Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                Extreme but if others follow his lead this could lead to an obvious seperation between sound teachers, and prosperity/new age/name it claim it charlatans who should be held accountable at least so their congregations learn of their deception.
                If systematic it could be good, otherwise it's just another form of power struggle.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Paprika View Post
                  If systematic it could be good, otherwise it's just another form of power struggle.
                  That's a good point.
                  Does he who supplies the Spirit to you and works miracles among you do so by works of the law, or by hearing with faith? -Galatians 3:5

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
                    Bill Johnson of Bethel (Redding) a well known Charismatic who left the Assembly of God a few years ago and who teaches and sponsors a rather extreme form of charismatic theology, has rebuked from the pulpit a former student named Jason Westerfield who travels world wide and from what I know of him he has claimed gold dust miracles, blessing children with photographic memories, and likes to talk about aliens. Bill Johnson claimed that Jason Westerfield carried a "demonic impartation" and had a spirit of deceit iirc.

                    Following the name drop he quoted 1 John 1:6.

                    Later he taught about "more at any cost." Bringing up Torronto, Pensacola, and his own personal mystic experiences, and further explained "more at any cost within Biblical understanding" or something close to that.

                    He mentioned cults.

                    Long story short, a leader on the fringe has cut ties (including financial ties) with an someone most would probably call a heretic.

                    The full sermon is available through iTunes it's from April 26.

                    I really don't even know what to say about this. (Maybe Ecclesiology is better?)

                    Edit: If you know about this, you probably know more than I do about this, please share.
                    Well, since you don´t know what to make of it, I´d point out that Bill Johnson hasn´t actually said anything of it either. You´re confusion is understandable. What we hear from Johnson is a lot of vague statements aimed at the person rather than the person´s theology; things like "Spirit of Deception welcomed into his life", "Spiritually contaminating others lives..." or he´s suffering a "Demonic impartation" isn´t a warning against anything specific. It´s slander. Johnson tells his flock that there´s a problem, but fails to accurately explain what the problem is and where Westerfield has supposedly deviated from his own theology. Ask anyone who´s heard that sermon what´s wrong with Westerfield and they won´t be able to answer you, guarantee it. When John warned the body of Christ "don´t even greet such a person" he also told them what to look out for: "those who do not acknowledge Jesus Christ as coming in the flesh... don´t even greet such a person". Johnson, however, does not tell his flock what to look out for, but still insists that people stay away from him while his own leaders deal with Westerfield in private.

                    As for the theological aspect of it all, Johnson vs Westerfield, I can´t see a difference other than Johnson being a few decades older and more reserved than Westerfield. Otherwise they´re both of the same root, preaching the same message and entertaining their followers with antics from the same hyper-charismatic movement they´re both a part of.

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