I think the real problem here is that we're trying to understand this with our earthly minds, according to the laws of physics, dimensions, etc...... God is not limited by any of that.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think the real problem here is that we're trying to understand this with our earthly minds, according to the laws of physics, dimensions, etc...... God is not limited by any of that.
Yet the Scriptures also seem to present a relatively earthy picture of Jesus returning: "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God.." (1Thes. 4:16).
So he arrives on earth? Or will the earth be burnt up and humanity will find itself in another dimension at this point? Very, very difficult to visualize.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostThat's a good point as 2Peter 3:10 seems to hint toward a phenomena such as you describe: "But the day of the Lord will come like a thief, in which the heavens will pass away with a roar and the elements will be destroyed with intense heat, and the earth and its works will be burned up."
Yet the Scriptures also seem to present a relatively earthy picture of Jesus returning: "For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel and with the trumpet of God.." (1Thes. 4:16).The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Just as lighting shines across the sky. Jesus will suddenly be seen by everyone at His second coming. That is exactly how I understand this (Matthew 24:27; Revelation 1:7). If at the speed of light, around the world in about 1/7th of a second (cp. 1 Corinthians 15:52).Last edited by 37818; 02-25-2015, 08:42 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostJust as lighting shines across the sky. Jesus will suddenly be seen by everyone at His second coming. That is exactly how I understand this (Matthew 24:27; Revelation 1:7). If at the speed of light, around the world in about 1/7th of a second (cp. 1 Corinthians 15:52).
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