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Did God violate free will in Exodus 16?

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  • Did God violate free will in Exodus 16?

    Hello everyone! A few days ago I was thinking of the story of the Exodus and how God provided for the Israelites via quail and manna.
    https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...16&version=NIV
    11 The Lord said to Moses, 12 “I have heard the grumbling of the Israelites. Tell them, ‘At twilight you will eat meat, and in the morning you will be filled with bread. Then you will know that I am the Lord your God.’”

    13 That evening quail came and covered the camp, and in the morning there was a layer of dew around the camp. 14 When the dew was gone, thin flakes like frost on the ground appeared on the desert floor. 15 When the Israelites saw it, they said to each other, “What is it?” For they did not know what it was.
    Would this mean that God took control over the minds of the quail, violating their free will? (Yes I know this probably sounds absolutely ridiculous, but I thought it was interesting to think about )

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    Yes, yes it does. Birds ain't sapient.
    If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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    • #3
      It complies with God's intent that animals be subject to humans - we have dominion over them.
      "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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      • #4
        There is nothing that says God can't violate our own free will either, when it suits his plans. Like when he made Jonah go to Nineveh.

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        • #5
          I don't understand the question
          Watch your links! http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/fa...corumetiquette

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          • #6
            Originally posted by DesertBerean View Post
            I don't understand the question
            just smile and nod
            "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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            • #7
              you're assuming the quail wouldn't volunteer to be part of God's amazing plan
              "Some people feel guilty about their anxieties and regard them as a defect of faith but they are afflictions, not sins. Like all afflictions, they are, if we can so take them, our share in the passion of Christ." - That Guy Everyone Quotes

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              • #8
                Originally posted by hamster View Post
                you're assuming the quail wouldn't volunteer to be part of God's amazing plan
                To be dinner? Oh! Just say they'll be served. But not the details...
                If it weren't for the Resurrection of Jesus, we'd all be in DEEP TROUBLE!

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Knowing Thomas View Post
                  Hello everyone! A few days ago I was thinking of the story of the Exodus and how God provided for the Israelites via quail and manna.
                  https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...16&version=NIV

                  Would this mean that God took control over the minds of the quail, violating their free will? (Yes I know this probably sounds absolutely ridiculous, but I thought it was interesting to think about )
                  I'm not so sure the quail had free will to begin with.
                  ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                    I'm not so sure the quail had free will to begin with.
                    That's for the birds!
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      That's for the birds!
                      I'm sorry, I don't speak Yankee.
                      ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                        I'm sorry, I don't speak Yankee.
                        Neither does this guy:

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                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Neither does this guy:

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                          That guy doesn't really look like he enjoys being photographed.
                          ~Formerly known as Chrawnus~

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Chrawnus View Post
                            That guy doesn't really look like he enjoys being photographed.
                            He just heard a couple of CP's jokes attempts at humor. You can tell by the combined look of someone who is both in pain and nauseous.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Christianbookworm View Post
                              To be dinner? Oh! Just say they'll be served. But not the details...
                              . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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