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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostInteresting, so would you say the woman is lying or perhaps delusional to an extent?That's what
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Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostI'd say she was conditioned by those who taught her to think that way. When I hear someone say "God told me to...", I ask them what He sounded like. Was He a tenor or a baritone?
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostInteresting, so would you say the woman is lying or perhaps delusional to an extent?
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostI see. Yet she also claims to see angels quite often as well (in other talks). Do you think that's possible or would you say she is hallucinating? She has a background in psychiatry, so I would imagine she wouldn't be too quick to label a natural, organic phenomena as a spiritual manifestation. In fact I think her background would probably condition her to not hear the voice of God nor see angels, if it is indeed all just in her head.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostIt is very rare that God will actually speak to someone directly.
Christians who routinely said "God told me..." make it sound like they have a hotline to God, and that is especially distressing to newer Christians who might think "Gee God never talks to me. What's wrong with me? Am I really saved?"
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat does she say the angels look like?
Do they have conversations with her too?
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostAgain I agree, but perhaps a more appropriate response to those who state they cannot hear the voice of God would be something along the lines of: "Well, God in His sovereignty can choose to communicate with whom He so chooses, however, it seems to me that such phenomena is not the norm. Therefore, all Christian's ought to diligently seek God through the Scriptures and through prayer and let the Spirit communicate as He so desires and if God doesn't speak in such a manner as I experience, then please don't feel that you are any less of a Christian - you are not and that's because of Christ and His work in us alone." I believe MacNutt might respond as such to those distressed Christian's.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostI see. Yet she also claims to see angels quite often as well (in other talks). Do you think that's possible or would you say she is hallucinating?
She has a background in psychiatry,
so I would imagine she wouldn't be too quick to label a natural, organic phenomena as a spiritual manifestation. In fact I think her background would probably condition her to not hear the voice of God nor see angels, if it is indeed all just in her head.That's what
- She
Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
- Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)
I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
- Stephen R. Donaldson
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Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
IOW, whether you believe she hears from God or not the point still stands whether we are willing to believe everything in the Bible or not.
Now whether you agree with her view on the Bible or not, that will be up to you...
As for the content of the video, I pretty much see it as spot on with regards to deliverance and healing and the role within the western church today. I particularly liked the part where she talked about the necessity of balance (where some people 'see a demon behind every cornflake')Last edited by phat8594; 02-17-2015, 02:52 PM.
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Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBut if she rubs elbows with the Benny Hinn/Ken Copeland types, her training would typically fly out the window IMO.
That being said, I would be careful to not pull the 'guilt by association' card just because she tends more towards a Charismatic viewpoint.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostI don't know. but I dislike Christian "jargon" like that. It is very rare that God will actually speak to someone directly.
And even so, a rarity of something doesn't necessarily preclude the reality of, or establish a prescriptive norm. For example, we see a 'norm' that is more of a symptom of a problem than a prescription of what should be in 1 Samuel:
1 Samuel 3:1
The boy Samuel ministered before the Lord under Eli. In those days the word of the Lord was rare; there were not many visions.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostChristians who routinely said "God told me..." make it sound like they have a hotline to God, and that is especially distressing to newer Christians who might think "Gee God never talks to me. What's wrong with me? Am I really saved?"
I can appreciate not wanting to stumble younger Christians, and yet this same argument can be applied to other things such as frequently answered prayer, healings, overcoming of sin, etc. Should the fact that some people don't 'see their prayer answered', preclude those of do from openly talking about it?
Perhaps -- I guess it depends on the audience...
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