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    That was my response after watching the following video. I would be interested in your thoughts and/or experiences in relation to the content of said video:

    Last edited by Scrawly; 02-14-2015, 11:04 PM.

  • #2
    That's chock-full of anecdotes and "God told me to X, Y, Z".

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    • #3
      I agree with Manwë.

      I really dislike it when people act like they and God have outright conversations.
      "well God said blah blah blah" and so I said "blah blah" and God said "blah blah"

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        I agree with Manwë.

        I really dislike it when people act like they and God have outright conversations.
        "well God said blah blah blah" and so I said "blah blah" and God said "blah blah"
        Interesting, so would you say the woman is lying or perhaps delusional to an extent?

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        • #5
          Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
          Interesting, so would you say the woman is lying or perhaps delusional to an extent?
          I'd say she was conditioned by those who taught her to think that way. When I hear someone say "God told me to...", I ask them what He sounded like. Was He a tenor or a baritone?
          That's what
          - She

          Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
          - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

          I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
          Stephen R. Donaldson

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
            I'd say she was conditioned by those who taught her to think that way. When I hear someone say "God told me to...", I ask them what He sounded like. Was He a tenor or a baritone?
            I see. Yet she also claims to see angels quite often as well (in other talks). Do you think that's possible or would you say she is hallucinating? She has a background in psychiatry, so I would imagine she wouldn't be too quick to label a natural, organic phenomena as a spiritual manifestation. In fact I think her background would probably condition her to not hear the voice of God nor see angels, if it is indeed all just in her head.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
              Interesting, so would you say the woman is lying or perhaps delusional to an extent?
              I don't know. but I dislike Christian "jargon" like that. It is very rare that God will actually speak to someone directly. Christians who routinely said "God told me..." make it sound like they have a hotline to God, and that is especially distressing to newer Christians who might think "Gee God never talks to me. What's wrong with me? Am I really saved?"

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
                I see. Yet she also claims to see angels quite often as well (in other talks). Do you think that's possible or would you say she is hallucinating? She has a background in psychiatry, so I would imagine she wouldn't be too quick to label a natural, organic phenomena as a spiritual manifestation. In fact I think her background would probably condition her to not hear the voice of God nor see angels, if it is indeed all just in her head.
                What does she say the angels look like? Do they have conversations with her too?

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  It is very rare that God will actually speak to someone directly.
                  I agree, but it looks like you believe the possibility is on the table?

                  Christians who routinely said "God told me..." make it sound like they have a hotline to God, and that is especially distressing to newer Christians who might think "Gee God never talks to me. What's wrong with me? Am I really saved?"
                  Again I agree, but perhaps a more appropriate response to those who claim to hear the voice of God would be something along the lines of: "Well, God in His sovereignty can choose to communicate with whom He so chooses, however, it seems to me that such phenomena is not the norm. Therefore, all Christian's ought to diligently seek God through the Scriptures and through prayer and let the Spirit communicate as He so desires and if God doesn't speak in such a manner as I experience, then please don't feel that you are any less of Christian - you are not and that's because of Christ and His work in us alone." I believe MacNutt might respond as such to those distressed Christian's.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                    What does she say the angels look like?
                    If I remember correctly, she described some angels very similar to how the angels are described when they appeared at the empty tomb, and other times she explained them as coming in human form and then disappearing more or less into thin air.

                    Do they have conversations with her too?
                    Not too sure, I'd have to watch some more of her talks again.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
                      Again I agree, but perhaps a more appropriate response to those who state they cannot hear the voice of God would be something along the lines of: "Well, God in His sovereignty can choose to communicate with whom He so chooses, however, it seems to me that such phenomena is not the norm. Therefore, all Christian's ought to diligently seek God through the Scriptures and through prayer and let the Spirit communicate as He so desires and if God doesn't speak in such a manner as I experience, then please don't feel that you are any less of a Christian - you are not and that's because of Christ and His work in us alone." I believe MacNutt might respond as such to those distressed Christian's.
                      Edited to fix.

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
                        I see. Yet she also claims to see angels quite often as well (in other talks). Do you think that's possible or would you say she is hallucinating?
                        More like creative wishful thinking.

                        She has a background in psychiatry,
                        Some of the strangest people I have met were psychiatrists.

                        so I would imagine she wouldn't be too quick to label a natural, organic phenomena as a spiritual manifestation. In fact I think her background would probably condition her to not hear the voice of God nor see angels, if it is indeed all just in her head.
                        But if she rubs elbows with the Benny Hinn/Ken Copeland types, her training would typically fly out the window IMO.
                        That's what
                        - She

                        Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                        - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                        I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                        Stephen R. Donaldson

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Scrawly View Post
                          That was my response after watching the following video. I would be interested in your thoughts and/or experiences in relation to the content of said video:

                          Not quite sure what everyone is so critical about... it seemed to me to be more of an honest conversation about these topics from her perspective. IMO, I never saw an emphasis on 'God told me...blah blah blah' (or that being used as a trump card) but rather do we really believe ALL of what the Bible says, or are we conditioned by our background...

                          IOW, whether you believe she hears from God or not the point still stands whether we are willing to believe everything in the Bible or not.


                          Now whether you agree with her view on the Bible or not, that will be up to you...


                          As for the content of the video, I pretty much see it as spot on with regards to deliverance and healing and the role within the western church today. I particularly liked the part where she talked about the necessity of balance (where some people 'see a demon behind every cornflake')
                          Last edited by phat8594; 02-17-2015, 03:52 PM.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                            But if she rubs elbows with the Benny Hinn/Ken Copeland types, her training would typically fly out the window IMO.
                            For some reason I have a hard time believing that seedbed would feature someone who 'rubs elbows with the Benny Hinn types' (whatever that means).

                            That being said, I would be careful to not pull the 'guilt by association' card just because she tends more towards a Charismatic viewpoint.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              I don't know. but I dislike Christian "jargon" like that. It is very rare that God will actually speak to someone directly.
                              I can understand not liking the 'jargon' (we all have jargon or sorts in whatever church we attend). Of course, to be fair it is an assumption that it is cery rare that God will actually speak to people.

                              And even so, a rarity of something doesn't necessarily preclude the reality of, or establish a prescriptive norm. For example, we see a 'norm' that is more of a symptom of a problem than a prescription of what should be in 1 Samuel:

                              1 Samuel 3:1
                              The boy Samuel ministered before the Lord under Eli. In those days the word of the Lord was rare; there were not many visions.



                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              Christians who routinely said "God told me..." make it sound like they have a hotline to God, and that is especially distressing to newer Christians who might think "Gee God never talks to me. What's wrong with me? Am I really saved?"
                              I can see how that can be viewed that way -- and to be sure, there are many people who say 'God told me...' where He clearly did not tell them. That being said, I do believe people can and do hear from the Lord.

                              I can appreciate not wanting to stumble younger Christians, and yet this same argument can be applied to other things such as frequently answered prayer, healings, overcoming of sin, etc. Should the fact that some people don't 'see their prayer answered', preclude those of do from openly talking about it?

                              Perhaps -- I guess it depends on the audience...

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