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A POLITE Discussion about Singing Angels
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostAngels HAVE to sing.
God invented music, and angels HAVE to sing.
That is all.
Just looking for actual scriptural support. BTC has, as far as I can see, the best indication I've seen, and I'm not really convinced that's necessarily "angels".
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostIsaiah 6, Rev. 5:11, 7:11-12
Rev 5:12 - "They said with a loud voice:"
Rev 7:12 - "saying: Amen! Blessing and glory and wisdom....
Again, just asking for a verse that actually SAYS that Angels sing, or sang.
This is also reflected in the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom:
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Originally posted by Zymologist View PostWhat about in Isaiah 6? The seraphim singing “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory.”
KJV - And one cried unto another, and said, Holy, holy, holy, is the LORD of hosts: the whole earth is full of his glory.
YLT - And this one hath called unto that, and hath said: 'Holy, Holy, Holy, is Jehovah of Hosts, The fulness of all the earth is His glory.'
Darby - And one called to the other and said, Holy, holy, holy is Jehovah of hosts; the whole earth is full of his glory!
HCSB - And one called to another: Holy, holy, holy is the LORD of Hosts; His glory fills the whole earth.
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostAngels HAVE to sing.
God invented music, and angels HAVE to sing.
That is all.
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Angels HAVE to sing.
God invented music, and angels HAVE to sing.
That is all.
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I doubt though that this is a human language, though I have no doubt that if you were to be taken into Heaven, even if you were not yet given the Beatific Vision, you'd hear a proximation to the song they're actually singing.
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Isaiah 6, Rev. 5:11, 7:11-12
This is also reflected in the Liturgy of St. John Chrysostom:
"We who mystically represent the Cherubim sing the thrice holy hymn to the life giving Trinity. Let us set aside all the cares of life that we may receive the King of all invisibly escorted by the angelic hosts. Alleluia. Alleluia. Alleluia."
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"We also thank You for this liturgy which You are pleased to accept from our hands, even though You are surrounded by thousands of Archangels and tens of thousands of Angels, by the Cherubim and Seraphim, six-winged, many-eyed, soaring with their wings, singing the victory hymn, proclaiming, crying out, and saying: 'Holy, holy, holy, Lord Sabaoth, heaven and earth are filled with Your glory. Hosanna in the highest. Blessed is He who comes in the name of the Lord. Hosanna to God in the highest.'"
and in the Liturgy of St. James (one of the earliest extant liturgies):
"Let all mortal flesh be silent, and stand with fear and trembling, and meditate nothing earthly within itself: For the King of kings and Lord of lords, Christ our God, comes forward to be sacrificed, and to be given for food to the faithful; and the bands of angels go before Him with every power and dominion, the many-eyed cherubim, and the six-winged seraphim, covering their faces, and crying aloud the hymn, Alleluia, Alleluia, Alleluia."
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"Verily it is becoming and right, proper and due to praise Thee, to sing of Thee, to bless Thee, to worship Thee, to glorify Thee, to give Thee thanks, Maker of every creature visible and invisible, the treasure of eternal good things, the fountain of life and immortality, God and Lord of all:
Whom the heavens of heavens praise, and all the host of them; the sun, and the moon, and all the choir of the stars; earth, sea, and all that is in them; Jerusalem, the heavenly assembly, and church of the first-born that are written in heaven; spirits of just men and of prophets; souls of martyrs and of apostles; angels, archangels, thrones, dominions, principalities, and authorities, and dread powers; and the many-eyed cherubim, and the six-winged seraphim, which cover their faces with two wings, their feet with two, and with two they fly, crying one to another with unresting lips, with unceasing praises: With loud voice singing the victorious hymn of Thy majestic glory, crying aloud, praising, shouting, and saying: Holy, holy, holy, O Lord of Sabaoth, the heaven and the earth are full of Thy glory. Hosanna in the highest; blessed is He that cometh in the name of the Lord. Hosanna in the highest!"
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What about in Isaiah 6? The seraphim singing “Holy, Holy, Holy, is the Lord of hosts, The whole earth is full of His glory.”
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A POLITE Discussion about Singing Angels
I'd like to have a polite discussion about this, because this is something I've been interested in for some time.
First, this is NOT a "critical issue" to me - just more of a curiosity, I guess.
I know we have "singing angels" in Christmas Carols, but I don't think (or didn't think) that the Bible says that angels actually sing. So, from another thread....
Originally posted by Bill the Cat View PostBut they do speak and sing, so assuming they don't have their own language with each other is an argument from silence.
Bill's response would depend on the "morning stars" necessarily being angels. I'm interested in that.
Also, in any other verse - particularly New Testament - which supports the premise that angels sing.
And, yes, I realize that even if the Bible doesn't specifically mention that they do - doesn't mean that they can't or don't.
In the case of Job, "star" is interpreted "of Messiah, brothers, youth, numerous progeny, personification, God's omniscience (fig.)"
Again, civil discussion please -- I'm not trying to argue a point - I'm trying to understand.Tags: None
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