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A POLITE Discussion about Singing Angels

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Paprika View Post
    It is, of course, most natural, but is is terrible and quite hypocritical when we Protestants define ourselves using Sola Scriptura, against 'those people' who hold to their Traditions, and then follow suit by developing our own de facto Traditions.
    Pap, I'm going to ask that you not post in this thread.

    Thanks

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  • Paprika
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    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Indeed.
    It is, of course, most natural, but is is terrible and quite hypocritical when we Protestants define ourselves using Sola Scriptura, against 'those people' who hold to their Traditions, and then follow suit by developing our own de facto Traditions.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Should've been after angel food cake.
    What happens if one eats that with Devil's Food Cake at the same sitting? Does time stop?

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  • One Bad Pig
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Coming back to this. After ice cream.
    Should've been after angel food cake.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
    If a connection can be made between the living beings of Rev, and the living beings of Ezekiel 1, then they are angels because in Ezekiel 10 they are clearly named Cherubim, a traditional order of angels. Unless we are calling that into question too? Even if accepted, the tie between the cherubim and the beasts in Rev isn't that strong. I am willing to call the beings from Rev 5 Angels and because of that angels can sing in my view. CP, I don't think you agree, but as we all know this is an unimportant non-essential even amongst non-essentials.
    Coming back to this. After ice cream.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by Teallaura View Post
    Hey!!! Don't forget me!


    All are welcome, especially when Purple Pants is paying.

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  • Teallaura
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    Hey!!! Don't forget me!


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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    This is one of those discussions that I would MUCH rather happen over a meal in person, because it's so easy to assume the other guy is angry or arguing or.... I should know better than to try to do this stuff in this medium.
    Rest assured, I am not angry, but I happily accept your invitation!

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by robrecht View Post
    There could not be such a commandment because we know in fact that a certain number of angels can indeed dance on the head of a pin. We just don't know what that number is.

    For the record, I do not need to believe angels can sing and I do not jump through hoops, at least not since my foot surgery.
    This is one of those discussions that I would MUCH rather happen over a meal in person, because it's so easy to assume the other guy is angry or arguing or.... I should know better than to try to do this stuff in this medium.

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    ... It's kinda like when I was a kid in an independent Baptist Church --- it would have been a whole lot easier if there had been a verse that said "thou shalt not dance".
    There could not be such a commandment because we know in fact that a certain number of angels can indeed dance on the head of a pin. We just don't know what that number is.

    For the record, I do not need to believe angels can sing and I do not jump through hoops, at least not since my foot surgery.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by robrecht View Post
    More literally, 'they sang a new song, saying:'
    OK, both! (But that's like saying "I like this song, because it says.....")

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by Pentecost View Post
    If a connection can be made between the living beings of Rev, and the living beings of Ezekiel 1, then they are angels because in Ezekiel 10 they are clearly named Cherubim, a traditional order of angels. Unless we are calling that into question too? Even if accepted, the tie between the cherubim and the beasts in Rev isn't that strong. I am willing to call the beings from Rev 5 Angels and because of that angels can sing in my view. CP, I don't think you agree, but as we all know this is an unimportant non-essential even amongst non-essentials.
    The point (and I guess I'm not conveying it adequately) is NOT so much about angels per se --- bout about the fact that we seem to have this whole "angel phenomenon" with crazy ideas like "we become angels when we die"....

    It makes me wonder what OTHER stuff we believe because it just got started somewhere and grew into its own little theology.

    I'm a little surprised, quite honestly, that there's such a "need" to believe that angels sing - that's where this whole thing came from. Maybe they do and maybe they don't. But in order to defend the proposition that angels sing, we seem to have to jump through some hoops and hurdles and make assumptions. It's a little surprising to me that John makes no mention of singing at all when he discusses the angels, since many Christians seem to think that's one of the "biggies" that they do.

    It's kinda like when I was a kid in an independent Baptist Church --- it would have been a whole lot easier if there had been a verse that said "thou shalt not dance".

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  • robrecht
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yes, they do that, in addition to singing:

    Rev 5:8 When He took the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song:
    More literally, 'they sang a new song, saying:'

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  • Pentecost
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    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Yeah, more that than your "typical" angel.
    If a connection can be made between the living beings of Rev, and the living beings of Ezekiel 1, then they are angels because in Ezekiel 10 they are clearly named Cherubim, a traditional order of angels. Unless we are calling that into question too? Even if accepted, the tie between the cherubim and the beasts in Rev isn't that strong. I am willing to call the beings from Rev 5 Angels and because of that angels can sing in my view. CP, I don't think you agree, but as we all know this is an unimportant non-essential even amongst non-essentials.

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  • Cow Poke
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    Originally posted by robrecht View Post
    No, the elders and beasts are also said to speak, say or talk.
    Yes, they do that, in addition to singing:

    Rev 5:8 When He took the scroll, the four living creatures and the 24 elders fell down before the Lamb. Each one had a harp and gold bowls filled with incense, which are the prayers of the saints. 9 And they sang a new song:
    Last edited by Cow Poke; 02-13-2015, 04:32 PM.

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