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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostSo far CP hasn't been able to prove his assertions, resorting instead to Ad Hom and other fallacies.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostSo far CP hasn't been able to prove his assertions, resorting instead to Ad Hom and other fallacies.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThis appears to be something of a non sequitur. I don't recall you (or anyone else) challenging CP to prove anything here.
This is how he responds:
http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post140854
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd you need a mint!
Unless of course, you can't.
Heck, I'd be eternally grateful if you can show me your objection are right. It will be doing me a service. Who wants to muddle through life holding to wrong speculations? Not me.
2 Corinthians 10:5We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,Last edited by footwasher; 01-14-2015, 01:00 PM.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostAnd you need to defend your objections.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostBut if God wasn't interested in NUMBERS, why did He name a whole book in the Bible "Numbers"?
... and 3,000 were added to the Church that day... and he fed 5,000 men, and women and children.... the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints... And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand....
Seriously, though, I know what you mean --- not numbers for the sake of numbers, but don't forget, each "number" represents a soul.
The number of souls extracted from Egypt was huge. Of those who were eligible, only Joshua and Caleb were saved.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostYou teach that each addition to the church is a saved soul.
The number of souls extracted from Egypt was huge. Of those who were eligible, only Joshua and Caleb were saved.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostSeriously, though, I know what you mean --- not numbers for the sake of numbers, but don't forget, each "number" represents a soul.
I wish each member of a church was saved. Everyone knows not all who attend church are saved. I wish churches had as much focus on ministries as buildings and grounds. (I was in one church were the Buildings and Grounds committee mostly ran the church.)Last edited by Thoughtful Monk; 01-14-2015, 06:42 PM."For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostYou teach that each addition to the church is a saved soul.
Second, if they're "added to the Church" (as in the universal Church of all the redeemed through all of the ages) then they ARE a "saved sou".
Do you actually have a point?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View PostThat's what I meant, though actually it usually means numbers to get enough offerings to keep the building going.
I wish each member of a church was saved.
Everyone knows not all who attend church are saved.
I wish churches had as much focus on ministries as buildings and grounds. (I was in one church were the Buildings and Grounds committee mostly ran the church.)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by footwasher View PostSpecial pleading. You need to show Scripture that proves otherwise.
Another example, Matthew 19:27, "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? . . . "
You can believe what you want. I stated my understanding of Luke 14:33.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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