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  • #31
    Originally posted by Truthseeker View Post
    Acts 5 says that Peter told Ananias and Sapphira that it was all right for them to keep the land or sell it and use the money "any way you wanted." [NCV]
    Peter wasn't a legalist given to gross verbosity and misapplication of biblical principles.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Peter wasn't a legalist given to gross verbosity and misapplication of biblical principles.
      So far CP hasn't been able to prove his assertions, resorting instead to Ad Hom and other fallacies.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by footwasher View Post
        So far CP hasn't been able to prove his assertions, resorting instead to Ad Hom and other fallacies.
        This appears to be something of a non sequitur. I don't recall you (or anyone else) challenging CP to prove anything here.
        Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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        • #34
          Originally posted by footwasher View Post
          So far CP hasn't been able to prove his assertions, resorting instead to Ad Hom and other fallacies.
          And you need a mint!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #35
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            This appears to be something of a non sequitur. I don't recall you (or anyone else) challenging CP to prove anything here.
            Pointless.

            This is how he responds:

            http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post140854

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              And you need a mint!
              And you need to defend your objections.

              Unless of course, you can't.

              Heck, I'd be eternally grateful if you can show me your objection are right. It will be doing me a service. Who wants to muddle through life holding to wrong speculations? Not me.

              2 Corinthians 10:5We are destroying speculations and every lofty thing raised up against the knowledge of God, and we are taking every thought captive to the obedience of Christ,
              Last edited by footwasher; 01-14-2015, 02:00 PM.

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              • #37
                Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                Pointless.

                This is how he responds:

                http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post140854
                Way to continue building up one another.
                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                  Pointless.

                  This is how he responds:

                  http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...l=1#post140854
                  Is there something you'd actually like to discuss? Or are you fine with just complaining.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                    And you need to defend your objections.
                    Not necessarily. If you'd have something you'd actually like to discuss, please feel free.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      But if God wasn't interested in NUMBERS, why did He name a whole book in the Bible "Numbers"?

                      ... and 3,000 were added to the Church that day... and he fed 5,000 men, and women and children.... the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints... And the number of the army of the horsemen were two hundred thousand thousand....


                      Seriously, though, I know what you mean --- not numbers for the sake of numbers, but don't forget, each "number" represents a soul.
                      You teach that each addition to the church is a saved soul.

                      The number of souls extracted from Egypt was huge. Of those who were eligible, only Joshua and Caleb were saved.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                        You teach that each addition to the church is a saved soul.

                        The number of souls extracted from Egypt was huge. Of those who were eligible, only Joshua and Caleb were saved.
                        You misunderstood CP's post, I think.
                        The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu

                        [T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Seriously, though, I know what you mean --- not numbers for the sake of numbers, but don't forget, each "number" represents a soul.
                          That's what I meant, though actually it usually means numbers to get enough offerings to keep the building going.

                          I wish each member of a church was saved. Everyone knows not all who attend church are saved. I wish churches had as much focus on ministries as buildings and grounds. (I was in one church were the Buildings and Grounds committee mostly ran the church.)
                          Last edited by Thoughtful Monk; 01-14-2015, 07:42 PM.
                          "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                            You teach that each addition to the church is a saved soul.
                            First of all, I never said that.

                            Second, if they're "added to the Church" (as in the universal Church of all the redeemed through all of the ages) then they ARE a "saved sou".

                            Do you actually have a point?
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
                              That's what I meant, though actually it usually means numbers to get enough offerings to keep the building going.
                              Yeah, "nickels and noses".

                              I wish each member of a church was saved.
                              See my comment to FW.

                              Everyone knows not all who attend church are saved.
                              Or even those who are "church members", let alone the "church attenders" -- agreed!

                              I wish churches had as much focus on ministries as buildings and grounds. (I was in one church were the Buildings and Grounds committee mostly ran the church.)
                              Our Church is ministry driven, and BECAUSE we are, we don't have money problems.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by footwasher View Post
                                Special pleading. You need to show Scripture that proves otherwise.
                                In the passage, Jesus was addressing the crowd.

                                Another example, Matthew 19:27, "Then answered Peter and said unto him, Behold, we have forsaken all, and followed thee; what shall we have therefore? . . . "

                                You can believe what you want. I stated my understanding of Luke 14:33.
                                . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                                . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                                Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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