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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.
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So, I'm curious.. I have often started threads on Tweb about things that happened in my Church, or to me or my family, and the insight I have gained, etc.... would those things merit a "shush"?
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostGod wants to transform our appetites into a hunger for him and true intimacy and freedom comes about when we single-mindedly focus our being and align our will with his. This will accomplish the purposes of God in our lives.
See how easy it is to compose fluffy rhetoric? It felt like snake-oil as I was writing it.It's somewhat incomplete, but it's not far off the mark AFAICS.
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Originally posted by Scrawly View PostSometimes I'm sick of hearing, listening, reading people talk about God. It honestly gets nauseating. You can go on social media and find links to sermons, new books, debates, etc. and I come across these quotes from all sorts of Christian leaders out there. Here's one from Tim Keller:
"Prayer is the only entryway into genuine self-knowledge. It is also the main way we experience deep change—the reordering of our loves. Prayer is how God gives us so many of the unimaginable things he has for us. Indeed, prayer makes it safe for God to give us many of the things we most desire. It is the way we know God, the way we finally treat God as God. Prayer is simply the key to everything we need to do and be in life. We must learn to pray. We have to."
As much as I can appreciate the work these brothers and sisters do and the pure heart that produces material such as the above, sometimes, I just want to say "Oh shush". Quotes like the above just seem almost annoying to me. At some point talk like this ceases to be insightful, cleaver, or even helpful. It's like a politician spewing out rhetoric to maintain and solidify himself as a leader in the minds of his followers. Please for the love of God, stop writing books on topics that amount to nothing more than idle Epicurean-like speculation. Write a book with the following content:
"Go feed the homeless and stop being a glutton for borderline useless information. Read the Bible and spend time in prayer - it's really that simple guys".
Does anyone else feel similar?
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Originally posted by Obsidian View PostIf you are saying that sermons should be more Bible-based and less rhetorical, then I agree,
See how easy it is to compose fluffy rhetoric? It felt like snake-oil as I was writing it.
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Your statement is vague. Could you go into a little more depth please?
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If you are saying that sermons should be more Bible-based and less rhetorical, then I agree,
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Sometimes I'm sick of hearing, listening, reading people talk about God. It honestly gets nauseating. You can go on social media and find links to sermons, new books, debates, etc. and I come across these quotes from all sorts of Christian leaders out there. Here's one from Tim Keller:
"Prayer is the only entryway into genuine self-knowledge. It is also the main way we experience deep change—the reordering of our loves. Prayer is how God gives us so many of the unimaginable things he has for us. Indeed, prayer makes it safe for God to give us many of the things we most desire. It is the way we know God, the way we finally treat God as God. Prayer is simply the key to everything we need to do and be in life. We must learn to pray. We have to."
As much as I can appreciate the work these brothers and sisters do and the pure heart that produces material such as the above, sometimes, I just want to say "Oh shush". Quotes like the above just seem almost annoying to me. At some point talk like this ceases to be insightful, cleaver, or even helpful. It's like a politician spewing out rhetoric to maintain and solidify himself as a leader in the minds of his followers. Please for the love of God, stop writing books on topics that amount to nothing more than idle Epicurean-like speculation. Write a book with the following content:
"Go feed the homeless and stop being a glutton for borderline useless information. Read the Bible and spend time in prayer - it's really that simple guys".
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