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Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.
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Discussion on matters of general mainstream evangelical Christian theology that do not fit within Theology 201. Have some spiritual gifts ceased today? Is the KJV the only viable translation for the church today? In what sense are the books of the bible inspired and what are those books? Church government? Modern day prophets and apostles?
This forum is primarily for Christians to discuss matters of Christian doctrine, and is not the area for debate between atheists (or those opposing orthodox Christianity) and Christians. Inquiring atheists (or sincere seekers/doubters/unorthodox) seeking only Christian participation and having demonstrated a manner that does not seek to undermine the orthodox Christian faith of others are also welcome, but must seek Moderator permission first. When defining “Christian” or "orthodox" for purposes of this section, we mean persons holding to the core essentials of the historic Christian faith such as the Trinity, the Creatorship of God, the virgin birth, the bodily resurrection of Christ, the atonement, the future bodily return of Christ, the future bodily resurrection of the just and the unjust, and the final judgment. Persons not holding to these core doctrines are welcome to participate in the Comparative Religions section without restriction, in Theology 201 as regards to the nature of God and salvation with limited restrictions, and in Christology for issues surrounding the person of Christ and the Trinity. Atheists are welcome to discuss and debate these issues in the Apologetics 301 forum without such restrictions.
Additionally and rarely, there may be some topics or lines of discussion that within the Moderator's discretion fall so outside the bounds of mainstream orthodox doctrine (in general Christian circles or in the TheologyWeb community) or that deny certain core values that are the Christian convictions of forum leadership that may be more appropriately placed within Unorthodox Theology 201. NO personal offense should be taken by such discretionary decision for none is intended. While inerrancy is NOT considered a requirement for posting in this section, a general respect for the Bible text and a respect for the inerrantist position of others is requested.
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Did Rosa Parks sin by refusing to go to the back of the bus?
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Originally posted by Paprika View PostI had no idea that synagogue authorities collected taxes. Or is this another metaphor?
[ The Temple Tax ] When they came to Capernaum, the collectors of the two-drachma tax went up to Peter and said, “Does your teacher not pay the tax?”
NKJV Says: "..Does your Teacher not pay the Temple Tax?"Last edited by Littlejoe; 12-29-2014, 08:37 AM.
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostRomans 13 is talking about obeying the synagogue authorities, not the civil authorities. Paul is still talking about how we should behave within a community and doesn't change subjects.
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostRomans 13 is talking about obeying the synagogue authorities, not the civil authorities. Paul is still talking about how we should behave within a community and doesn't change subjects.
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Does anyone know what MLK Jr. said about it? I am much too you to have personal experience with the matter, but I am given to understand Luther was a Reverend who supported civil disobedience? Was he ever confronted by detractors with Scripture? How did he support his position with Scripture? I assume that the easiest way (if perhaps not the most effective) to determine if it is a sin or not is to look at someone with both the motive and opportunity to comment on the subject at hand and then determine if his arguments are flawed or not. Equally you could look toward a segregationist preacher, but I assume that there are more records of MLK than others.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostI said if you believe his words were inerrant. I personally don't believe Paul, who was human, was perfect, as illustrated by the absurdity of the command (though I believe it served a specific purpose at the time he wrote it, which is why it was so absurdly impractical).
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI'm not asking whether Rosa Parks is burning in hell for her defiance though. After all we all sin and are forgiven. I take it you agree it's a sin from your posts, but you're not comfortable just saying it outright. I was hoping to get some perspectives from people who don't think it was a sin.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostIf you argue that Paul's words were inerrant then it's indeed sin. But it's sin we obviously have no power over as history clearly shows, much like love thy enemies. This is why Christ died and why we need mercy and grace.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostThe "ship has sailed" on a lot of sins. We still happily murder, for example. That doesn't really answer the question of whether murder is a sin or not.Last edited by seanD; 12-28-2014, 11:57 PM.
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostBearing the sword is a metaphor for saying that the synagogue had the authority to administer discipline of their members.
This was the case when Paul was sent out to persecute those who were members of the synagogue who were followers of the Way.
Paul also used his Roman citizenship to get out of being whipped, but he submitted to the Jewish authority:
2 Corinthians 11:24 Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one.Last edited by Darth Executor; 12-28-2014, 11:55 PM.
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Bearing the sword is a metaphor for saying that the synagogue had the authority to administer discipline of their members. This was the case when Paul was sent out to persecute those who were members of the synagogue who were followers of the Way. Paul also used his Roman citizenship to get out of being whipped, but he submitted to the Jewish authority:
2 Corinthians 11:24 Five times I received at the hands of the Jews the forty lashes less one.Last edited by Soyeong; 12-28-2014, 11:16 PM.
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Originally posted by Soyeong View PostRomans 13 is talking about obeying the synagogue authorities, not the civil authorities.
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Romans 13 is talking about obeying the synagogue authorities, not the civil authorities. Paul is still talking about how we should behave within a community and doesn't change subjects.
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Originally posted by seanD View PostThe instances of noncompliance to Romans 13 by Christians throughout history has been overkill. That's why it's pretty absurd to even use it now in any kind of argument because that ship has long sailed (which might even be good indication how absurd Paul was when he stated it).
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The instances of noncompliance to Romans 13 by Christians throughout history has been overkill. That's why it's pretty absurd to even use it now in any kind of argument because that ship has long sailed (which might even be good indication how absurd Paul was when he stated it).
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