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Did Rosa Parks sin by refusing to go to the back of the bus?
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"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI don't think anybody is going to argue that point."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Adrift View PostI don't think it has anything to do with your Catholic heritage or appreciation for Christian humanist philosophers. I think most Protestants on this forum probably disagree with DE's views on liberty, and racism (or, at least, I hope they do).βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostI don't think they should do it as a matter of decency but I do think they have the authority to do what they did in the OP (and I don't believe they did it to demean the black passengers, I think that was just a side-effect). Matthew 20:15 comes to mind.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThere is nothing in that parable to indicate that the decision was based on race."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostChrist is saying it's His money so He can do whatever He wants with it, even if it's "unfair" to pay some workers the same money for less work.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWell, actually, He was saying it was the lord of the vineyard's money.
And the alleged inequity was to the number of hours they worked, not the color of their skin."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWell, Catholics are just pagans with Jesus's name stamped on the "Jupiter wuz here" graffiti.
I used to be of this opinion. However, in my experience, anti-racism has become synonymous with evil. And not trivial evil either, I've seen this ideology turn otherwise decent people into complete monsters as a result of picking up even a light amount of anti-racist activist fervor. And I'll admit I'm perplexed. With many questionable ideologies I can tell why people are horrible regardless of whether I agree with it or not. I can understand Hitler, I can understand Stalin, I can understand Genghis Khan. This, however, I still don't quite comprehend. Maybe it will be revealed to me in time.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostYes, which is why I endorsed the boycott.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostIsrael also didn't have the type of multi-ethnic large scale conflict the US did.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhat if there are fundamental differences in the way the minds of the two races work? And one of them is far more prone both to committing violent crime and tolerating it? What should the racial group that doesn't want to put up with this do? Basically, what should two groups with fundamentally different and contradictory outlooks on life do?
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostTotalitarian here, don't care about votes. The franchise should have been further restricted, and eventually eliminated, not expanded.
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhat if one wants to live in an active volcano? Is the volcano violating his civil rights?
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhat is your stance on gay marriage?
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhy are white schools better than black schools? Are you saying black people cannot compete with white people in this area?
Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhat do you think of the benefits this policy had on preventing ethnic conflict?βλέπομεν γὰρ ἄρτι δι᾿ ἐσόπτρου ἐν αἰνίγματι, τότε δὲ πρόσωπον πρὸς πρόσωπον·
ἄρτι γινώσκω ἐκ μέρους, τότε δὲ ἐπιγνώσομαι καθὼς καὶ ἐπεγνώσθην.אָכֵ֕ן אַתָּ֖ה אֵ֣ל מִסְתַּתֵּ֑ר אֱלֹהֵ֥י יִשְׂרָאֵ֖ל מוֹשִֽׁיעַ׃
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostWhat difference does it make? He never denied it was unequal, He said He can do whatever He wants with His money. Just like the state can do whatever they want with their bus. The inequity is irrelevant to His argument.
The state's money is really the people's money, and the state has a fiduciary responsibility to spend it accordingly. (not that they ever do)The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by robrecht View PostIf you are not opposed to racism, then you are neutral or racist.
Which racist policies do you think should be supported or tolerated?
Which boycott?
Does this justify racist governmental policies in the US? If so, again, which ones? If not, this seems like an irrelevant comment.
First order of business: find out what causes and perpetuates these demographic issues. If racial oppression and diminished opportunity is a significant factor, and I think it is, do not exacerbate the issue with additional oppression and chronic lack of opportunity.
Reparations in terms of educational opportunity would probably be the best way to address the issue head-on.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Monoamine_oxidase_A
"An association between the 2R allele of the VNTR region of the gene and an increase in the likelihood of committing serious crime or violence has been found."
"5.5% of Black men, 0.1% of Caucasian men, and 0.00067% of Asian men carry the 2R allele"
How would "reparations in tems of educational opportunity" make this go away?
I suggest you move to a totalitarian state that restricts your access to free speech on the Internet.
Freedom of religion.
At this time in history, they were not allowed to compete with white people.
It will take significant time before African-Americans, as a whole population, will be able to perform competitively.
Long term. None. Probably an overall negative effect. Short term, it allowed groups like the KKK to operate relatively freely at the periphery of society with little opposition."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe lord of the vineyard's money truly was his own, to do with as he wished.
The state's money is really the people's money, and the state has a fiduciary responsibility to spend it accordingly. (not that they ever do)"As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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Originally posted by Darth Executor View PostYou'd have a pretty hard time claiming the government wasn't doing the will of "the people" in this case.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat doesn't mean the parable you cited makes the case."As for my people, children are their oppressors, and women rule over them. O my people, they which lead thee cause thee to err, and destroy the way of thy paths." Isaiah 3:12
There is no such thing as innocence, only degrees of guilt.
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I'm frustrated. Did Rosa sin by refusing to move back? Or would moving back be a sin? I try to remember the mish-mash in the thread and my mind is empty.The greater number of laws . . . , the more thieves . . . there will be. ---- Lao-Tzu
[T]he truth I’m after and the truth never harmed anyone. What harms us is to persist in self-deceit and ignorance -— Marcus Aurelius, Meditations
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