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  • #61
    Originally posted by tabibito View Post
    Discretion .... discretion ....

    Are you sure that's a word?
    Not in Foud's dictionary, but here
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #62
      Ah - discretion is another word for "hang gliding" ... got it.





      I've been taking reading comprehension lessons from Foudroyant. How am I doing so far?
      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
      .
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      Scripture before Tradition:
      but that won't prevent others from
      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
      of the right to call yourself Christian.

      ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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      • #63
        Two heretics join hands.
        How romantic.

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        • #64
          Originally posted by tabibito View Post
          Ah - discretion is another word for "hang gliding" ... got it.





          I've been taking reading comprehension lessons from Foudroyant. How am I doing so far?
          You're failing miserably. You haven't called me any childish names or "acted out" in shame.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #65
            Mr. Tab,
            Start attacking his favorite dog. He has a thing for that creature.

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            • #66
              Let's see now - I said that the text in question doesn't say the people concerned were saved, it says only that the Holy Spirit fell on them.

              Foudroyant says that I mean that they weren't saved until they were baptised. ...

              Did I mention baptism in that statement? Did I deny that they were saved in that comment? Maybe he has golden tablets, a hat, and special glasses to show him what I meant ...

              But what does the text itself say ...

              Act 10:47

              “Can anyone forbid water, that these should not be baptized who have received the Holy Spirit just as we have?”
              Does the text say they were saved?

              And by the way, I've been called a heretic by people who were honest in their beliefs, Foudroyant. (one of them even managed to mount an argument based solidly on scripture to prove his point - whereupon I changed my point of view). From you, allegations of heresy are not of any concern - you're just wasting bytes.
              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
              .
              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
              Scripture before Tradition:
              but that won't prevent others from
              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
              of the right to call yourself Christian.

              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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              • #67
                Go by what all the Bible says..not just one or a certain number of passages.

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                • #68
                  I go by all that the Bible says. That doesn't justify misquoting individual verses.
                  So - if what all the Bible says is to be taken into account:
                  what factors are necessary for salvation?
                  1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                  .
                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                  Scripture before Tradition:
                  but that won't prevent others from
                  taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                  of the right to call yourself Christian.

                  ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                  • #69
                    From Acts 2:4 and on if one has been given the Holy Spirit they are saved.
                    Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were given the Holy Spirit before they were water baptized.
                    Thus, they were saved before they were water baptized.

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                    • #70
                      Let's see now: Can a person be saved if he is not in Christ?

                      ETA account unnoticed ambiguity

                      Can a person have been saved without being in Christ?
                      1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                      .
                      ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                      Scripture before Tradition:
                      but that won't prevent others from
                      taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                      of the right to call yourself Christian.

                      ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                      • #71
                        Originally posted by Foudroyant
                        Cornelius and the Gentiles with him were given the Holy Spirit before they were water baptized.
                        They also received the Holy Spirit before they confessed with their mouth.

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                        • #72
                          No.

                          Were the Gentiles "given" the Holy Spirit before they were water baptized?

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                          • #73
                            Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                            They also received the Holy Spirit before they confessed with their mouth.
                            No proof for that.

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                            • #74
                              Originally posted by Obsidian View Post
                              They also received the Holy Spirit before they confessed with their mouth.

                              That's one I missed. Thanks.
                              1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                              .
                              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛
                              Scripture before Tradition:
                              but that won't prevent others from
                              taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                              of the right to call yourself Christian.

                              ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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                              • #75
                                Originally posted by foudroyant View Post
                                No proof for that.
                                Act 10:46 For they heard them speak with tongues and magnify God. Then Peter answered,
                                1Cor 15:34 Come to your senses as you ought and stop sinning; for I say to your shame, there are some who know not God.
                                .
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                                Scripture before Tradition:
                                but that won't prevent others from
                                taking it upon themselves to deprive you
                                of the right to call yourself Christian.

                                ⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛⊛

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