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    Does music influence us spiritually? Or does the type of music we listen to merely reflect our spiritual state? How about the producer behind the music - in many cases it is clearly a thoroughly secular mind producing it - does the fact that we enjoy and revel in it reveal that our minds are likewise not being transformed by Christ or does this fall under the category of: Titus 1:15: "To the pure, all things are pure; but to those who are defiled and unbelieving, nothing is pure, but both their mind and their conscience are defiled."

    Here is a sample of some of the music I adore. Let me know if anyone can detect a red flag and provide your reasons why:






  • #2
    I don't really listen to Christian music for the most part. I find much of its theology to be poor, to put it kindly. At the same time, I'm fairly careful about the lyrical content of what I listen to because I do believe it can have an effect on us. (The only band you linked to that I'm familiar with is Foster the People; I really liked their first album.)

    A friend of mine did a podcast awhile back on this subject. He didn't like the ghettoization of Christian vs. everything else in musical culture. http://www.rightreason.org/2009/epis...eing-a-person/ At the same time, I could see how a Christian could have a hard time finding a niche in mainstream music genres like dirty South rap or black metal.
    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      Also I could see how some people who experienced dramatic conversions from certain lifestyles may need to leave all vestiges of that lifestyle behind, including certain genres of music, as a weaker brother, or to avoid getting dragged back in. Like maybe somebody who was attending drug-fueled raves every weekend needs to leave dance type music behind in some cases.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #4
        Good points KG, I'll check out that podcast too, thanks!

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        • #5
          Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          I don't really listen to Christian music for the most part. I find much of its theology to be poor, to put it kindly. At the same time, I'm fairly careful about the lyrical content of what I listen to because I do believe it can have an effect on us. (The only band you linked to that I'm familiar with is Foster the People; I really liked their first album.)

          A friend of mine did a podcast awhile back on this subject. He didn't like the ghettoization of Christian vs. everything else in musical culture. http://www.rightreason.org/2009/epis...eing-a-person/ At the same time, I could see how a Christian could have a hard time finding a niche in mainstream music genres like dirty South rap or black metal.
          Yeah....

          Edit: Although a purist would take umbrage with your application of the word "mainstream" to the genre.
          Last edited by Zymologist; 08-18-2014, 10:31 AM.
          I DENOUNCE DONALD J. TRUMP AND ALL HIS IMMORAL ACTS.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
            I don't really listen to Christian music for the most part. I find much of its theology to be poor, to put it kindly. At the same time, I'm fairly careful about the lyrical content of what I listen to because I do believe it can have an effect on us. (The only band you linked to that I'm familiar with is Foster the People; I really liked their first album.)
            I agree that a lot of modern praises are weak theologically. I don't want to throw the whole group out as I do run over some strong theology in them.

            I once describe it as the hymn writers would be saved and grown theologically before they really wrote whereas today they get saved and immediately start writing as if they know something. Similar to the people who get saved on a Monday and think on Tuesday they're ready to be a pastor. (Sorry, rant)
            "For I desire mercy, not sacrifice, and acknowledgment of God rather than burnt offerings." Hosea 6:6

            "Theology can be an intellectual entertainment." Metropolitan Anthony Bloom

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Thoughtful Monk View Post
              I agree that a lot of modern praises are weak theologically. I don't want to throw the whole group out as I do run over some strong theology in them.

              I once describe it as the hymn writers would be saved and grown theologically before they really wrote whereas today they get saved and immediately start writing as if they know something. Similar to the people who get saved on a Monday and think on Tuesday they're ready to be a pastor. (Sorry, rant)
              Good points. I found some Christian rap by CrossMovement - Lacrae, Flame, etc. - to have more substantial theology than many sermons. However, I only like a few of their songs because I have a distaste for rap in general and it almost seems like a gateway into secular rap-music, although, I imagine it works the other way too - to provide a passage out of the mire of secular rap. So it's all good. Anyhow, on another note :

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              • #8
                I'm somewhat encouraged by the New Hymn Movement.

                One of my very favorite such "new hymns" is....



                It actually has a MESSAGE!
                "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                • #9
                  LeCrae is AWESOME!! I listen to mostly Contemporary Christian Music though. I like simple messages of the love God has for us and about how we love Him. I like everything from Crowder to Toby Mac to Jason Gray to Michael Dub to Mark Lowery. I'm all over the place, but I do not typically listen to anything outside of my playlist. But I am also an 80's kid, so I can listen to just about anything from my youth... I think it CAN be a reflection of your spiritual state, or it can just be a matter of taste in musical ability. There is no pat answer that covers everyone.
                  That's what
                  - She

                  Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                  - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                  I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                  Stephen R. Donaldson

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                    Mark Lowery
                    He's an IDIOT!!

                    But I DO love when he messes with Bill Gaither, and I DO love it when he sings "Mary, Did you Know?"
                    "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      He's an IDIOT!!

                      But I DO love when he messes with Bill Gaither, and I DO love it when he sings "Mary, Did you Know?"
                      I love his comedy routines
                      That's what
                      - She

                      Without a clear-cut definition of sin, morality becomes a mere argument over the best way to train animals
                      - Manya the Holy Szin (The Quintara Marathon)

                      I may not be as old as dirt, but me and dirt are starting to have an awful lot in common
                      Stephen R. Donaldson

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                        I love his comedy routines
                        A friend of ours bought us front row seats at a place in Houston where Gaithers were playing, and Mark was driving one of those scooters like you see in Walmart -- I think he had wrecked his motorcycle -- so when he was driving up the isle, he looked right at me, and said, "BILL, LOOK -- THAT man has a nose as big as YOURS!!!"

                        I laughed so hard I was nearly in tears.
                        "Neighbor, how long has it been since you’ve had a big, thick, steaming bowl of Wolf Brand Chili?”

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          I'm somewhat encouraged by the New Hymn Movement.

                          One of my very favorite such "new hymns" is....



                          It actually has a MESSAGE!
                          I like that too.

                          Sunday in church we (the praise band) played "This is Amazing Grace". It is a great song, and we will be playing it next Sunday too. We want to get the congregation familiar with it.



                          I just just got the setlist, we are also playing "God is Able" and "Glory to God Forever".
                          Last edited by Timothy; 10-07-2014, 05:12 PM.

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                          • #14
                            I think having something like this play in church during a time of meditation on say Luke 14:31 (and surrounding verses) could really benefit one spiritually:

                            Last edited by Scrawly; 10-09-2014, 05:12 PM.

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                            • #15
                              Music does set mood.

                              Music can be spiritual and good, without even having lyrics.

                              ". . . And it came to pass, when the [evil] spirit from God was upon Saul, that David took an harp, and played with his hand: so Saul was refreshed, and was well, and the evil spirit departed from him. . . ." -- 2 Samuel 16:23. The music did three things, the last being spiritually good for Saul. Saul heard it, was refreshed by it. Mentally made well by it, and it caused that evil spirit to depart.
                              . . . the Gospel of Christ, for it is [the] power of God to salvation to every [one] believing, . . . -- Romans 1:16.

                              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3, 4.

                              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1.

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